00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:02,470 uh the Hamas have made approximately 00:00:02,470 --> 00:00:02,480 uh the Hamas have made approximately 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,150 uh the Hamas have made approximately half a billion dollar in profit from the 00:00:06,150 --> 00:00:06,160 half a billion dollar in profit from the 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,270 half a billion dollar in profit from the black market in the aid they have stolen 00:00:09,270 --> 00:00:09,280 black market in the aid they have stolen 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:13,990 black market in the aid they have stolen since October 7 wow across the world 00:00:13,990 --> 00:00:14,000 since October 7 wow across the world 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,390 since October 7 wow across the world when Nations go to war the average is 1 00:00:17,390 --> 00:00:17,400 when Nations go to war the average is 1 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,830 when Nations go to war the average is 1 to n nine civilians every competent kill 00:00:20,830 --> 00:00:20,840 to n nine civilians every competent kill 00:00:20,840 --> 00:00:23,550 to n nine civilians every competent kill one to one is unheard of no country in 00:00:23,550 --> 00:00:23,560 one to one is unheard of no country in 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:26,429 one to one is unheard of no country in the world has ever managed to reduce the 00:00:26,429 --> 00:00:26,439 the world has ever managed to reduce the 00:00:26,439 --> 00:00:28,109 the world has ever managed to reduce the number of civilians killed in the way 00:00:28,109 --> 00:00:28,119 number of civilians killed in the way 00:00:28,119 --> 00:00:30,470 number of civilians killed in the way that Israel has and yet Israel is being 00:00:30,470 --> 00:00:30,480 that Israel has and yet Israel is being 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,389 that Israel has and yet Israel is being accused by the prosecutor of the 00:00:32,389 --> 00:00:32,399 accused by the prosecutor of the 00:00:32,399 --> 00:00:34,030 accused by the prosecutor of the international criminal court of 00:00:34,030 --> 00:00:34,040 international criminal court of 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:35,830 international criminal court of willfully killing 00:00:35,830 --> 00:00:35,840 willfully killing 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,350 willfully killing civilians international law and human 00:00:38,350 --> 00:00:38,360 civilians international law and human 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,229 civilians international law and human rights law has not stopped any of these 00:00:40,229 --> 00:00:40,239 rights law has not stopped any of these 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:42,069 rights law has not stopped any of these things it's not stopped Putin it's not 00:00:42,069 --> 00:00:42,079 things it's not stopped Putin it's not 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:43,990 things it's not stopped Putin it's not stopped China from oppressing its own 00:00:43,990 --> 00:00:44,000 stopped China from oppressing its own 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:46,990 stopped China from oppressing its own Wagers and others it's not stopped Assad 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generally human rights cult culture human rights law human 00:01:01,709 --> 00:01:01,719 cult culture human rights law human 00:01:01,719 --> 00:01:04,469 cult culture human rights law human rights institutions the ICC the icj the 00:01:04,469 --> 00:01:04,479 rights institutions the ICC the icj the 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:05,870 rights institutions the ICC the icj the international court of justice the 00:01:05,870 --> 00:01:05,880 international court of justice the 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,270 international court of justice the United Nations all the big NOS 00:01:08,270 --> 00:01:08,280 United Nations all the big NOS 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,070 United Nations all the big NOS non-governmental organizations that deal 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:10,080 non-governmental organizations that deal 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,590 non-governmental organizations that deal with human rights they've all been 00:01:11,590 --> 00:01:11,600 with human rights they've all been 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,870 with human rights they've all been captured by an ideology which basically 00:01:13,870 --> 00:01:13,880 captured by an ideology which basically 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,310 captured by an ideology which basically says Jewish state of Israel must go the 00:01:17,310 --> 00:01:17,320 says Jewish state of Israel must go the 00:01:17,320 --> 00:01:18,550 says Jewish state of Israel must go the Tories I mean they're not for nothing 00:01:18,550 --> 00:01:18,560 Tories I mean they're not for nothing 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,270 Tories I mean they're not for nothing where they call the stupid party they 00:01:20,270 --> 00:01:20,280 where they call the stupid party they 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,950 where they call the stupid party they really really really are stupid do I 00:01:23,950 --> 00:01:23,960 really really really are stupid do I 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:25,789 really really really are stupid do I think that Britain and the West are 00:01:25,789 --> 00:01:25,799 think that Britain and the West are 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:32,680 think that Britain and the West are going to survive 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:32,690 00:01:32,690 --> 00:01:36,510 [Music] 00:01:36,510 --> 00:01:36,520 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,030 hello and welcome to the Winston 00:01:38,030 --> 00:01:38,040 hello and welcome to the Winston 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,990 hello and welcome to the Winston Marshall show with me Winston Marshall I 00:01:40,990 --> 00:01:41,000 Marshall show with me Winston Marshall I 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:44,069 Marshall show with me Winston Marshall I sat down with times col columnist and 00:01:44,069 --> 00:01:44,079 sat down with times col columnist and 00:01:44,079 --> 00:01:47,429 sat down with times col columnist and author Melanie Phillips we discussed 00:01:47,429 --> 00:01:47,439 author Melanie Phillips we discussed 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:50,590 author Melanie Phillips we discussed amongst other things the war in Israel 00:01:50,590 --> 00:01:50,600 amongst other things the war in Israel 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,630 amongst other things the war in Israel what the protests across the West mean 00:01:54,630 --> 00:01:54,640 what the protests across the West mean 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,550 what the protests across the West mean for the West we talked about 00:01:56,550 --> 00:01:56,560 for the West we talked about 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,429 for the West we talked about universalism Melanie wants to abolish 00:01:59,429 --> 00:01:59,439 universalism Melanie wants to abolish 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:02,990 universalism Melanie wants to abolish the United Nations that's not the most 00:02:02,990 --> 00:02:03,000 the United Nations that's not the most 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,990 the United Nations that's not the most controversial thing she even said in 00:02:04,990 --> 00:02:05,000 controversial thing she even said in 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,630 controversial thing she even said in this interview so you must listen to the 00:02:07,630 --> 00:02:07,640 this interview so you must listen to the 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:10,070 this interview so you must listen to the whole thing she's giggling now and off 00:02:10,070 --> 00:02:10,080 whole thing she's giggling now and off 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,470 whole thing she's giggling now and off screen uh off camera um before you 00:02:13,470 --> 00:02:13,480 screen uh off camera um before you 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,509 screen uh off camera um before you listen to Melanie I ask if you want to 00:02:15,509 --> 00:02:15,519 listen to Melanie I ask if you want to 00:02:15,519 --> 00:02:16,869 listen to Melanie I ask if you want to support the show all you have to do is 00:02:16,869 --> 00:02:16,879 support the show all you have to do is 00:02:16,879 --> 00:02:18,470 support the show all you have to do is press subscribe if you press the 00:02:18,470 --> 00:02:18,480 press subscribe if you press the 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,270 press subscribe if you press the Subscribe button I can to have more 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:20,280 Subscribe button I can to have more 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,150 Subscribe button I can to have more phenomenal guests like Melanie 00:02:22,150 --> 00:02:22,160 phenomenal guests like Melanie 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:24,750 phenomenal guests like Melanie discussing the issues that you want to 00:02:24,750 --> 00:02:24,760 discussing the issues that you want to 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,790 discussing the issues that you want to hear about but without further Ado 00:02:27,790 --> 00:02:27,800 hear about but without further Ado 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:31,070 hear about but without further Ado Melanie Phillips 00:02:31,070 --> 00:02:31,080 Melanie Phillips 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:32,190 Melanie Phillips thank you for watching the Winston 00:02:32,190 --> 00:02:32,200 thank you for watching the Winston 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:34,990 thank you for watching the Winston Marshall 00:02:34,990 --> 00:02:35,000 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,910 show Melanie Phillips what a pleasure to 00:02:37,910 --> 00:02:37,920 show Melanie Phillips what a pleasure to 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:40,270 show Melanie Phillips what a pleasure to speak with you thank you I I'm not sure 00:02:40,270 --> 00:02:40,280 speak with you thank you I I'm not sure 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,710 speak with you thank you I I'm not sure I've ever had a guest who's published so 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:42,720 I've ever had a guest who's published so 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,990 I've ever had a guest who's published so many deep 00:02:45,990 --> 00:02:46,000 many deep 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,190 many deep uh writings and and on on so many 00:02:49,190 --> 00:02:49,200 uh writings and and on on so many 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,229 uh writings and and on on so many different topics I i' there's so many 00:02:52,229 --> 00:02:52,239 different topics I i' there's so many 00:02:52,239 --> 00:02:55,430 different topics I i' there's so many things we could cover today um and the 00:02:55,430 --> 00:02:55,440 things we could cover today um and the 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,390 things we could cover today um and the the the difficulty here wasn't trying to 00:02:57,390 --> 00:02:57,400 the the difficulty here wasn't trying to 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,190 the the difficulty here wasn't trying to find questions for you the difficulty 00:02:59,190 --> 00:02:59,200 find questions for you the difficulty 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:00,990 find questions for you the difficulty was trying to wh them down I've managed 00:03:00,990 --> 00:03:01,000 was trying to wh them down I've managed 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:03,110 was trying to wh them down I've managed to whittle it down to five pages which 00:03:03,110 --> 00:03:03,120 to whittle it down to five pages which 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,070 to whittle it down to five pages which I'm sure we're not going to be able to 00:03:04,070 --> 00:03:04,080 I'm sure we're not going to be able to 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,670 I'm sure we're not going to be able to get through I'm going to I'm Keen to get 00:03:06,670 --> 00:03:06,680 get through I'm going to I'm Keen to get 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,149 get through I'm going to I'm Keen to get through your recent Times article about 00:03:09,149 --> 00:03:09,159 through your recent Times article about 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:11,309 through your recent Times article about the ICC but before that I'm going to ask 00:03:11,309 --> 00:03:11,319 the ICC but before that I'm going to ask 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:13,830 the ICC but before that I'm going to ask a very broad question if you don't 00:03:13,830 --> 00:03:13,840 a very broad question if you don't 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,990 a very broad question if you don't mind since the Gaza War started October 00:03:17,990 --> 00:03:18,000 mind since the Gaza War started October 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,110 mind since the Gaza War started October 7th we have seen in here in London 00:03:21,110 --> 00:03:21,120 7th we have seen in here in London 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:23,390 7th we have seen in here in London marches almost every week starting from 00:03:23,390 --> 00:03:23,400 marches almost every week starting from 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,589 marches almost every week starting from October 9th or even this activity on 00:03:26,589 --> 00:03:26,599 October 9th or even this activity on 00:03:26,599 --> 00:03:28,750 October 9th or even this activity on October 8th even October 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:28,760 October 8th even October 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,110 October 8th even October 7th we've seen on at University campuses 00:03:32,110 --> 00:03:32,120 7th we've seen on at University campuses 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,949 7th we've seen on at University campuses from Columbia down to University of 00:03:34,949 --> 00:03:34,959 from Columbia down to University of 00:03:34,959 --> 00:03:37,270 from Columbia down to University of Texas here in Britain Oxford to 00:03:37,270 --> 00:03:37,280 Texas here in Britain Oxford to 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,789 Texas here in Britain Oxford to Cambridge we've seen encampments of 00:03:39,789 --> 00:03:39,799 Cambridge we've seen encampments of 00:03:39,799 --> 00:03:44,190 Cambridge we've seen encampments of students protesting Israel's war I 00:03:44,190 --> 00:03:44,200 students protesting Israel's war I 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,229 students protesting Israel's war I wondered what you thought that those 00:03:46,229 --> 00:03:46,239 wondered what you thought that those 00:03:46,239 --> 00:03:48,309 wondered what you thought that those marches and those encampments can tell 00:03:48,309 --> 00:03:48,319 marches and those encampments can tell 00:03:48,319 --> 00:03:51,390 marches and those encampments can tell us about the West today what they can 00:03:51,390 --> 00:03:51,400 us about the West today what they can 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,309 us about the West today what they can tell us about Britain and America 00:03:54,309 --> 00:03:54,319 tell us about Britain and America 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:57,830 tell us about Britain and America today well first of all I a British Jew 00:03:57,830 --> 00:03:57,840 today well first of all I a British Jew 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:59,990 today well first of all I a British Jew although I spend a lot of time now most 00:03:59,990 --> 00:04:00,000 although I spend a lot of time now most 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,390 although I spend a lot of time now most of my time now in Israel but I'm in 00:04:02,390 --> 00:04:02,400 of my time now in Israel but I'm in 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,869 of my time now in Israel but I'm in Britain a great deal um and I'm still 00:04:04,869 --> 00:04:04,879 Britain a great deal um and I'm still 00:04:04,879 --> 00:04:07,550 Britain a great deal um and I'm still very very um concerned with and affected 00:04:07,550 --> 00:04:07,560 very very um concerned with and affected 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:10,509 very very um concerned with and affected by what's going on in Britain and for 00:04:10,509 --> 00:04:10,519 by what's going on in Britain and for 00:04:10,519 --> 00:04:11,830 by what's going on in Britain and for Jewish people in 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:11,840 Jewish people in 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,910 Jewish people in Britain these 00:04:13,910 --> 00:04:13,920 Britain these 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,910 Britain these demonstrations what they're saying what 00:04:15,910 --> 00:04:15,920 demonstrations what they're saying what 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:18,990 demonstrations what they're saying what they represent what they look like it's 00:04:18,990 --> 00:04:19,000 they represent what they look like it's 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,110 they represent what they look like it's hard to 00:04:20,110 --> 00:04:20,120 hard to 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,070 hard to exaggerate the Despair and sense of 00:04:24,070 --> 00:04:24,080 exaggerate the Despair and sense of 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:27,670 exaggerate the Despair and sense of Abandonment and isolation and fear uh 00:04:27,670 --> 00:04:27,680 Abandonment and isolation and fear uh 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,390 Abandonment and isolation and fear uh that has gripped the Jewish community 00:04:29,390 --> 00:04:29,400 that has gripped the Jewish community 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,230 that has gripped the Jewish community Through these demonstrations because to 00:04:31,230 --> 00:04:31,240 Through these demonstrations because to 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,749 Through these demonstrations because to me and I speak for many in the Jewish 00:04:33,749 --> 00:04:33,759 me and I speak for many in the Jewish 00:04:33,759 --> 00:04:36,550 me and I speak for many in the Jewish community in Britain in saying this 00:04:36,550 --> 00:04:36,560 community in Britain in saying this 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,350 community in Britain in saying this although there are some who obviously 00:04:38,350 --> 00:04:38,360 although there are some who obviously 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entitled to protest about the policies of the state 00:04:55,710 --> 00:04:55,720 protest about the policies of the state 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:57,670 protest about the policies of the state of Israel just as they're entitled to 00:04:57,670 --> 00:04:57,680 of Israel just as they're entitled to 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,110 of Israel just as they're entitled to protest about anything people entitled 00:05:00,110 --> 00:05:00,120 protest about anything people entitled 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,070 protest about anything people entitled have their 00:05:01,070 --> 00:05:01,080 have their 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,110 have their view but this isn't that kind of 00:05:04,110 --> 00:05:04,120 view but this isn't that kind of 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,950 view but this isn't that kind of protest this is these are demonstrations 00:05:07,950 --> 00:05:07,960 protest this is these are demonstrations 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,270 protest this is these are demonstrations which let's not forget started on 00:05:12,270 --> 00:05:12,280 which let's not forget started on 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:18,110 which let's not forget started on October the 7th while the uh Hamas 00:05:18,110 --> 00:05:18,120 October the 7th while the uh Hamas 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,870 October the 7th while the uh Hamas Stormtroopers were still engaged in 00:05:21,870 --> 00:05:21,880 Stormtroopers were still engaged in 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,790 Stormtroopers were still engaged in murdering in slaughtering in raping in 00:05:25,790 --> 00:05:25,800 murdering in slaughtering in raping in 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,309 murdering in slaughtering in raping in beheading in burning alive women 00:05:29,309 --> 00:05:29,319 beheading in burning alive women 00:05:29,319 --> 00:05:32,870 beheading in burning alive women children and men in southern 00:05:32,870 --> 00:05:32,880 children and men in southern 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,990 children and men in southern Israel in great number while that was 00:05:35,990 --> 00:05:36,000 Israel in great number while that was 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,790 Israel in great number while that was still going 00:05:37,790 --> 00:05:37,800 still going 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,510 still going on people in Britain took to the streets 00:05:40,510 --> 00:05:40,520 on people in Britain took to the streets 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,230 on people in Britain took to the streets in ecstatic 00:05:43,230 --> 00:05:43,240 in ecstatic 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:45,950 in ecstatic celebration it wasn't a protest it was 00:05:45,950 --> 00:05:45,960 celebration it wasn't a protest it was 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,870 celebration it wasn't a protest it was an ecstatic celebration that finally 00:05:49,870 --> 00:05:49,880 an ecstatic celebration that finally 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,430 an ecstatic celebration that finally they were killing Jews finally they 00:05:52,430 --> 00:05:52,440 they were killing Jews finally they 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,390 they were killing Jews finally they thought they were going to destroy 00:05:54,390 --> 00:05:54,400 thought they were going to destroy 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,830 thought they were going to destroy Israel and finally they were on the way 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:57,840 Israel and finally they were on the way 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:00,189 Israel and finally they were on the way to overturning Western 00:06:00,189 --> 00:06:00,199 to overturning Western 00:06:00,199 --> 00:06:02,590 to overturning Western civilization that's what came 00:06:02,590 --> 00:06:02,600 civilization that's what came 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,710 civilization that's what came out in subsequent weeks and months we've 00:06:05,710 --> 00:06:05,720 out in subsequent weeks and months we've 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,469 out in subsequent weeks and months we've seen these demonstrations all the time 00:06:08,469 --> 00:06:08,479 seen these demonstrations all the time 00:06:08,479 --> 00:06:11,150 seen these demonstrations all the time and to a Jew and to many who are 00:06:11,150 --> 00:06:11,160 and to a Jew and to many who are 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,950 and to a Jew and to many who are non-jews but who are looking at this in 00:06:13,950 --> 00:06:13,960 non-jews but who are looking at this in 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,710 non-jews but who are looking at this in horror they are demonstrations of power 00:06:17,710 --> 00:06:17,720 horror they are demonstrations of power 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:21,909 horror they are demonstrations of power power play and hatred and incitement to 00:06:21,909 --> 00:06:21,919 power play and hatred and incitement to 00:06:21,919 --> 00:06:24,629 power play and hatred and incitement to hatred and 00:06:24,629 --> 00:06:24,639 hatred and 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:26,950 hatred and violence in large measure because of 00:06:26,950 --> 00:06:26,960 violence in large measure because of 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:27,950 violence in large measure because of what they're 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:27,960 what they're 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,350 what they're saying um some of the slogans are 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:31,360 saying um some of the slogans are 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,230 saying um some of the slogans are screamed in Arabic uh but we all now 00:06:34,230 --> 00:06:34,240 screamed in Arabic uh but we all now 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:36,350 screamed in Arabic uh but we all now know surely what they say from The River 00:06:36,350 --> 00:06:36,360 know surely what they say from The River 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,830 know surely what they say from The River To The Sea Palestine will be free is not 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:39,840 To The Sea Palestine will be free is not 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,510 To The Sea Palestine will be free is not some Kumbaya expression of let's all 00:06:43,510 --> 00:06:43,520 some Kumbaya expression of let's all 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:47,390 some Kumbaya expression of let's all live together in a happy Unity Jews and 00:06:47,390 --> 00:06:47,400 live together in a happy Unity Jews and 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,629 live together in a happy Unity Jews and Muslims and Arabs together no what it 00:06:50,629 --> 00:06:50,639 Muslims and Arabs together no what it 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:53,309 Muslims and Arabs together no what it means is Palestine as they would put it 00:06:53,309 --> 00:06:53,319 means is Palestine as they would put it 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:56,110 means is Palestine as they would put it IE the entire state of Israel should be 00:06:56,110 --> 00:06:56,120 IE the entire state of Israel should be 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:00,390 IE the entire state of Israel should be free of Jews in Arabic the slogan 00:07:00,390 --> 00:07:00,400 free of Jews in Arabic the slogan 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,350 free of Jews in Arabic the slogan is I think from the river to the water 00:07:03,350 --> 00:07:03,360 is I think from the river to the water 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,350 is I think from the river to the water Palestine will be Arab that's what it 00:07:06,350 --> 00:07:06,360 Palestine will be Arab that's what it 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:07,830 Palestine will be Arab that's what it actually 00:07:07,830 --> 00:07:07,840 actually 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:11,790 actually says um they're saying globalize the 00:07:11,790 --> 00:07:11,800 says um they're saying globalize the 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,830 says um they're saying globalize the interf it doesn't matter whether what 00:07:13,830 --> 00:07:13,840 interf it doesn't matter whether what 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,670 interf it doesn't matter whether what people whether people who are screaming 00:07:15,670 --> 00:07:15,680 people whether people who are screaming 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:18,110 people whether people who are screaming this know what they're is saying even 00:07:18,110 --> 00:07:18,120 this know what they're is saying even 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,749 this know what they're is saying even but what it actually means is the 00:07:19,749 --> 00:07:19,759 but what it actually means is the 00:07:19,759 --> 00:07:22,710 but what it actually means is the interfa was a murderous campaign a 00:07:22,710 --> 00:07:22,720 interfa was a murderous campaign a 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,029 interfa was a murderous campaign a campaign of mass murder against Israeli 00:07:26,029 --> 00:07:26,039 campaign of mass murder against Israeli 00:07:26,039 --> 00:07:29,270 campaign of mass murder against Israeli Jews and other Israelis also were taken 00:07:29,270 --> 00:07:29,280 Jews and other Israelis also were taken 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,189 Jews and other Israelis also were taken up in that where other Israelis were 00:07:31,189 --> 00:07:31,199 up in that where other Israelis were 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:33,950 up in that where other Israelis were targeted um uh and slaughtered but 00:07:33,950 --> 00:07:33,960 targeted um uh and slaughtered but 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,589 targeted um uh and slaughtered but nevertheless it's Bas basically against 00:07:36,589 --> 00:07:36,599 nevertheless it's Bas basically against 00:07:36,599 --> 00:07:39,150 nevertheless it's Bas basically against zionists which is basically Jews and 00:07:39,150 --> 00:07:39,160 zionists which is basically Jews and 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,150 zionists which is basically Jews and globalized the inter father means let's 00:07:42,150 --> 00:07:42,160 globalized the inter father means let's 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,390 globalized the inter father means let's kill Jews 00:07:44,390 --> 00:07:44,400 kill Jews 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,710 kill Jews everywhere now if you are a British Jew 00:07:46,710 --> 00:07:46,720 everywhere now if you are a British Jew 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,110 everywhere now if you are a British Jew and you're hearing this screamed every 00:07:50,110 --> 00:07:50,120 and you're hearing this screamed every 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:54,309 and you're hearing this screamed every week um and you also have experience or 00:07:54,309 --> 00:07:54,319 week um and you also have experience or 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:55,950 week um and you also have experience or not a personal experience but you hear 00:07:55,950 --> 00:07:55,960 not a personal experience but you hear 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,909 not a personal experience but you hear of what's going on that people on these 00:07:58,909 --> 00:07:58,919 of what's going on that people on these 00:07:58,919 --> 00:08:00,629 of what's going on that people on these demonstrations are being 00:08:00,629 --> 00:08:00,639 demonstrations are being 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:03,309 demonstrations are being assaulted um and that if you are a 00:08:03,309 --> 00:08:03,319 assaulted um and that if you are a 00:08:03,319 --> 00:08:05,990 assaulted um and that if you are a counter demonstrator if you stand up as 00:08:05,990 --> 00:08:06,000 counter demonstrator if you stand up as 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,149 counter demonstrator if you stand up as this uh this one chap uh who is not uh 00:08:09,149 --> 00:08:09,159 this uh this one chap uh who is not uh 00:08:09,159 --> 00:08:12,390 this uh this one chap uh who is not uh an pro-israel supporter P per se he's an 00:08:12,390 --> 00:08:12,400 an pro-israel supporter P per se he's an 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,990 an pro-israel supporter P per se he's an he's an anti-iranian regime supporter an 00:08:15,990 --> 00:08:16,000 he's an anti-iranian regime supporter an 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,830 he's an anti-iranian regime supporter an anti- anti-iranian regime protester and 00:08:19,830 --> 00:08:19,840 anti- anti-iranian regime protester and 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:22,070 anti- anti-iranian regime protester and Iran the Iranian regime is behind the 00:08:22,070 --> 00:08:22,080 Iran the Iranian regime is behind the 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,830 Iran the Iranian regime is behind the Hamas another story so he's on these 00:08:24,830 --> 00:08:24,840 Hamas another story so he's on these 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,550 Hamas another story so he's on these demonstrations um as a counter 00:08:26,550 --> 00:08:26,560 demonstrations um as a counter 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,110 demonstrations um as a counter demonstrator this is the guy of the 00:08:28,110 --> 00:08:28,120 demonstrator this is the guy of the 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,390 demonstrator this is the guy of the Hamas is terrorist son 00:08:30,390 --> 00:08:30,400 Hamas is terrorist son 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:31,589 Hamas is terrorist son he gets 00:08:31,589 --> 00:08:31,599 he gets 00:08:31,599 --> 00:08:35,230 he gets arrested uh famously or infamously uh a 00:08:35,230 --> 00:08:35,240 arrested uh famously or infamously uh a 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:37,909 arrested uh famously or infamously uh a campaigner against anti-Semitism gidan 00:08:37,909 --> 00:08:37,919 campaigner against anti-Semitism gidan 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,110 campaigner against anti-Semitism gidan falter uh deliberately went across the 00:08:41,110 --> 00:08:41,120 falter uh deliberately went across the 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:42,550 falter uh deliberately went across the street where there was one of these 00:08:42,550 --> 00:08:42,560 street where there was one of these 00:08:42,560 --> 00:08:45,310 street where there was one of these demonstrations taking place and was told 00:08:45,310 --> 00:08:45,320 demonstrations taking place and was told 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:48,230 demonstrations taking place and was told by the police you are openly Jewish and 00:08:48,230 --> 00:08:48,240 by the police you are openly Jewish and 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,269 by the police you are openly Jewish and therefore you have to be removed and if 00:08:51,269 --> 00:08:51,279 therefore you have to be removed and if 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:56,110 therefore you have to be removed and if you don't go you'll be arrested um and 00:08:56,110 --> 00:08:56,120 you don't go you'll be arrested um and 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,509 you don't go you'll be arrested um and we can discuss the reasons for that but 00:08:58,509 --> 00:08:58,519 we can discuss the reasons for that but 00:08:58,519 --> 00:09:00,030 we can discuss the reasons for that but if you're a Jewish person person you can 00:09:00,030 --> 00:09:00,040 if you're a Jewish person person you can 00:09:00,040 --> 00:09:02,110 if you're a Jewish person person you can see that you are not going to be 00:09:02,110 --> 00:09:02,120 see that you are not going to be 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,350 see that you are not going to be protected you're going to be arrested uh 00:09:04,350 --> 00:09:04,360 protected you're going to be arrested uh 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,470 protected you're going to be arrested uh for daring to exercise your rights as a 00:09:07,470 --> 00:09:07,480 for daring to exercise your rights as a 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,110 for daring to exercise your rights as a free person in Britain and consequently 00:09:11,110 --> 00:09:11,120 free person in Britain and consequently 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,670 free person in Britain and consequently you know British Jews feel where can who 00:09:14,670 --> 00:09:14,680 you know British Jews feel where can who 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:16,509 you know British Jews feel where can who is going to stand up for us the police 00:09:16,509 --> 00:09:16,519 is going to stand up for us the police 00:09:16,519 --> 00:09:17,790 is going to stand up for us the police aren't going to protect us they're 00:09:17,790 --> 00:09:17,800 aren't going to protect us they're 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,310 aren't going to protect us they're clearly not protecting us uh we as 00:09:20,310 --> 00:09:20,320 clearly not protecting us uh we as 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,750 clearly not protecting us uh we as British Jews feel we cannot safely go 00:09:22,750 --> 00:09:22,760 British Jews feel we cannot safely go 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:25,910 British Jews feel we cannot safely go into Central London in the Ambit of 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:25,920 into Central London in the Ambit of 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:27,710 into Central London in the Ambit of these demonstrations when they're taking 00:09:27,710 --> 00:09:27,720 these demonstrations when they're taking 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,030 these demonstrations when they're taking place um the Govern government makes 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:30,040 place um the Govern government makes 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,190 place um the Govern government makes nice noises about you know this is 00:09:32,190 --> 00:09:32,200 nice noises about you know this is 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,750 nice noises about you know this is appalling we can't stand anti-Semitism 00:09:34,750 --> 00:09:34,760 appalling we can't stand anti-Semitism 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,670 appalling we can't stand anti-Semitism but they're doing absolutely nothing um 00:09:37,670 --> 00:09:37,680 but they're doing absolutely nothing um 00:09:37,680 --> 00:09:40,030 but they're doing absolutely nothing um and there's this feeling of the entire 00:09:40,030 --> 00:09:40,040 and there's this feeling of the entire 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,910 and there's this feeling of the entire world uh the the Western world uh rising 00:09:43,910 --> 00:09:43,920 world uh the the Western world uh rising 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,990 world uh the the Western world uh rising up 00:09:45,990 --> 00:09:46,000 up 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,030 up uh 00:09:48,030 --> 00:09:48,040 uh 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:51,430 uh promulgating lie after lie after lie 00:09:51,430 --> 00:09:51,440 promulgating lie after lie after lie 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,150 promulgating lie after lie after lie about Israel which is inciting hatred 00:09:55,150 --> 00:09:55,160 about Israel which is inciting hatred 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:56,590 about Israel which is inciting hatred because if you believe what's being said 00:09:56,590 --> 00:09:56,600 because if you believe what's being said 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,069 because if you believe what's being said about Israel you would also hate Israel 00:09:59,069 --> 00:09:59,079 about Israel you would also hate Israel 00:09:59,079 --> 00:10:00,630 about Israel you would also hate Israel um because what's being said is 00:10:00,630 --> 00:10:00,640 um because what's being said is 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:02,750 um because what's being said is basically you know it's it's painting 00:10:02,750 --> 00:10:02,760 basically you know it's it's painting 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:04,630 basically you know it's it's painting the Jews of Israel the 00:10:04,630 --> 00:10:04,640 the Jews of Israel the 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,269 the Jews of Israel the Israelis per se as some sort of demonic 00:10:09,269 --> 00:10:09,279 Israelis per se as some sort of demonic 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:12,470 Israelis per se as some sort of demonic diabolical conspiracy against decency 00:10:12,470 --> 00:10:12,480 diabolical conspiracy against decency 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,550 diabolical conspiracy against decency when in fact they are resisting 00:10:15,550 --> 00:10:15,560 when in fact they are resisting 00:10:15,560 --> 00:10:17,630 when in fact they are resisting genocide uh because the attacks of 00:10:17,630 --> 00:10:17,640 genocide uh because the attacks of 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:22,269 genocide uh because the attacks of October 7 uh terrible as they were 00:10:22,269 --> 00:10:22,279 October 7 uh terrible as they were 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:24,710 October 7 uh terrible as they were barbaric and Savage as they were and 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:24,720 barbaric and Savage as they were and 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,269 barbaric and Savage as they were and people don't realize what actually 00:10:26,269 --> 00:10:26,279 people don't realize what actually 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:28,190 people don't realize what actually happened on that day it wasn't just that 00:10:28,190 --> 00:10:28,200 happened on that day it wasn't just that 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,509 happened on that day it wasn't just that people were killed they were killed and 00:10:30,509 --> 00:10:30,519 people were killed they were killed and 00:10:30,519 --> 00:10:33,310 people were killed they were killed and slaughtered in the most appalling way 00:10:33,310 --> 00:10:33,320 slaughtered in the most appalling way 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,829 slaughtered in the most appalling way but the Hamas was said we will repeat 00:10:35,829 --> 00:10:35,839 but the Hamas was said we will repeat 00:10:35,839 --> 00:10:40,230 but the Hamas was said we will repeat this over and over again until Israel is 00:10:40,230 --> 00:10:40,240 this over and over again until Israel is 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,990 this over and over again until Israel is destroyed and 00:10:42,990 --> 00:10:43,000 destroyed and 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,389 destroyed and consequently the idea that the 00:10:46,389 --> 00:10:46,399 consequently the idea that the 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:50,030 consequently the idea that the legitimate defense against genocide 00:10:50,030 --> 00:10:50,040 legitimate defense against genocide 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,910 legitimate defense against genocide which any other country would Undertake 00:10:52,910 --> 00:10:52,920 which any other country would Undertake 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:56,430 which any other country would Undertake and would go to war to defeat this Force 00:10:56,430 --> 00:10:56,440 and would go to war to defeat this Force 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,230 and would go to war to defeat this Force that's threatening it the idea that if 00:11:00,230 --> 00:11:00,240 that's threatening it the idea that if 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,750 that's threatening it the idea that if Israel does it alone among nations if 00:11:03,750 --> 00:11:03,760 Israel does it alone among nations if 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,430 Israel does it alone among nations if Israel does it that itself is called 00:11:06,430 --> 00:11:06,440 Israel does it that itself is called 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,110 Israel does it that itself is called genocide that Israel cannot wage a just 00:11:10,110 --> 00:11:10,120 genocide that Israel cannot wage a just 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,710 genocide that Israel cannot wage a just war that it therefore is in the wrong no 00:11:13,710 --> 00:11:13,720 war that it therefore is in the wrong no 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,350 war that it therefore is in the wrong no other country in the world is treated 00:11:16,350 --> 00:11:16,360 other country in the world is treated 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,910 other country in the world is treated like this and so the Jewish Community 00:11:18,910 --> 00:11:18,920 like this and so the Jewish Community 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,470 like this and so the Jewish Community thinks are we living in a completely 00:11:21,470 --> 00:11:21,480 thinks are we living in a completely 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:24,790 thinks are we living in a completely upside down universe is everybody go mad 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:24,800 upside down universe is everybody go mad 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,670 upside down universe is everybody go mad and people feel very abandoned as a 00:11:27,670 --> 00:11:27,680 and people feel very abandoned as a 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,670 and people feel very abandoned as a result let's let's that that Segways 00:11:30,670 --> 00:11:30,680 result let's let's that that Segways 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:32,590 result let's let's that that Segways nicely into what you've written about 00:11:32,590 --> 00:11:32,600 nicely into what you've written about 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,870 nicely into what you've written about the ICC and how Israel are treated on 00:11:34,870 --> 00:11:34,880 the ICC and how Israel are treated on 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:35,750 the ICC and how Israel are treated on the 00:11:35,750 --> 00:11:35,760 the 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:37,710 the international uh by the International 00:11:37,710 --> 00:11:37,720 international uh by the International 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:39,870 international uh by the International Community the ICC and specifically a 00:11:39,870 --> 00:11:39,880 Community the ICC and specifically a 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,550 Community the ICC and specifically a British lawyer and prosecutor uh at the 00:11:43,550 --> 00:11:43,560 British lawyer and prosecutor uh at the 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:45,670 British lawyer and prosecutor uh at the um international criminal court named 00:11:45,670 --> 00:11:45,680 um international criminal court named 00:11:45,680 --> 00:11:48,550 um international criminal court named Kareem Khan has just requested the 00:11:48,550 --> 00:11:48,560 Kareem Khan has just requested the 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:50,710 Kareem Khan has just requested the arrest warrants of both Netanyahu and 00:11:50,710 --> 00:11:50,720 arrest warrants of both Netanyahu and 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:53,790 arrest warrants of both Netanyahu and Israel's Ministry of Defense yoav Galant 00:11:53,790 --> 00:11:53,800 Israel's Ministry of Defense yoav Galant 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:57,949 Israel's Ministry of Defense yoav Galant as well as senior members of Hamas sinoa 00:11:57,949 --> 00:11:57,959 as well as senior members of Hamas sinoa 00:11:57,959 --> 00:12:02,990 as well as senior members of Hamas sinoa uh Muhammad Dave and Ismael Haner I'm 00:12:02,990 --> 00:12:03,000 uh Muhammad Dave and Ismael Haner I'm 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:04,030 uh Muhammad Dave and Ismael Haner I'm I'm not sure I pronounced those 00:12:04,030 --> 00:12:04,040 I'm not sure I pronounced those 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:09,509 I'm not sure I pronounced those correctly um so you have written in 00:12:09,509 --> 00:12:09,519 correctly um so you have written in 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:13,629 correctly um so you have written in protest or rather against this um and so 00:12:13,629 --> 00:12:13,639 protest or rather against this um and so 00:12:13,639 --> 00:12:15,269 protest or rather against this um and so my question I guess maybe you could 00:12:15,269 --> 00:12:15,279 my question I guess maybe you could 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:16,670 my question I guess maybe you could color in exactly what's happened a 00:12:16,670 --> 00:12:16,680 color in exactly what's happened a 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:18,910 color in exactly what's happened a little bit for for for listeners but my 00:12:18,910 --> 00:12:18,920 little bit for for for listeners but my 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:21,430 little bit for for for listeners but my question will be is the ICC fit for 00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:21,440 question will be is the ICC fit for 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,430 question will be is the ICC fit for purpose uh the answer to your question 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:23,440 purpose uh the answer to your question 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,750 purpose uh the answer to your question is no in my view it was never it was 00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:25,760 is no in my view it was never it was 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,870 is no in my view it was never it was never fit for purpose um uh this is a 00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:28,880 never fit for purpose um uh this is a 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,269 never fit for purpose um uh this is a long discussion about the role of 00:12:31,269 --> 00:12:31,279 long discussion about the role of 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:35,470 long discussion about the role of international law um the uh way in which 00:12:35,470 --> 00:12:35,480 international law um the uh way in which 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:37,430 international law um the uh way in which human rights culture the human rights 00:12:37,430 --> 00:12:37,440 human rights culture the human rights 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,949 human rights culture the human rights law has been deployed as a weapon 00:12:40,949 --> 00:12:40,959 law has been deployed as a weapon 00:12:40,959 --> 00:12:44,189 law has been deployed as a weapon specifically against uh Israel Over many 00:12:44,189 --> 00:12:44,199 specifically against uh Israel Over many 00:12:44,199 --> 00:12:45,629 specifically against uh Israel Over many years you've gone further than that 00:12:45,629 --> 00:12:45,639 years you've gone further than that 00:12:45,639 --> 00:12:47,870 years you've gone further than that because you said human rights law are 00:12:47,870 --> 00:12:47,880 because you said human rights law are 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,030 because you said human rights law are causing quote such Injustice and denial 00:12:51,030 --> 00:12:51,040 causing quote such Injustice and denial 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,710 causing quote such Injustice and denial of Human Rights so you you TCH you did 00:12:54,710 --> 00:12:54,720 of Human Rights so you you TCH you did 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:55,670 of Human Rights so you you TCH you did this recently at the national 00:12:55,670 --> 00:12:55,680 this recently at the national 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:58,030 this recently at the national conservative conference I believe yes 00:12:58,030 --> 00:12:58,040 conservative conference I believe yes 00:12:58,040 --> 00:12:59,829 conservative conference I believe yes you you have a a big problem generally 00:12:59,829 --> 00:12:59,839 you you have a a big problem generally 00:12:59,839 --> 00:13:02,350 you you have a a big problem generally speaking with uh multinational 00:13:02,350 --> 00:13:02,360 speaking with uh multinational 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,230 speaking with uh multinational institution and Multinational I do so 00:13:04,230 --> 00:13:04,240 institution and Multinational I do so 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,509 institution and Multinational I do so perhaps we can take this in two parts 00:13:06,509 --> 00:13:06,519 perhaps we can take this in two parts 00:13:06,519 --> 00:13:08,710 perhaps we can take this in two parts first of all the court and secondly the 00:13:08,710 --> 00:13:08,720 first of all the court and secondly the 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,269 first of all the court and secondly the human rights culture that's behind the 00:13:10,269 --> 00:13:10,279 human rights culture that's behind the 00:13:10,279 --> 00:13:12,629 human rights culture that's behind the court so the international criminal 00:13:12,629 --> 00:13:12,639 court so the international criminal 00:13:12,639 --> 00:13:16,230 court so the international criminal court has had a very difficult uh career 00:13:16,230 --> 00:13:16,240 court has had a very difficult uh career 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,870 court has had a very difficult uh career so far kareim Khan's two predecessors as 00:13:19,870 --> 00:13:19,880 so far kareim Khan's two predecessors as 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,310 so far kareim Khan's two predecessors as prosecutor were uh appalling uh 00:13:23,310 --> 00:13:23,320 prosecutor were uh appalling uh 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,150 prosecutor were uh appalling uh absolutely incompetent useless and 00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:26,160 absolutely incompetent useless and 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,829 absolutely incompetent useless and brought the reputation of the Court 00:13:28,829 --> 00:13:28,839 brought the reputation of the Court 00:13:28,839 --> 00:13:31,310 brought the reputation of the Court really really uh really down and so it's 00:13:31,310 --> 00:13:31,320 really really uh really down and so it's 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,389 really really uh really down and so it's kind of in The Last Chance Saloon and 00:13:33,389 --> 00:13:33,399 kind of in The Last Chance Saloon and 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:36,710 kind of in The Last Chance Saloon and Karim Khan knows that um he is a very by 00:13:36,710 --> 00:13:36,720 Karim Khan knows that um he is a very by 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,030 Karim Khan knows that um he is a very by all accounts very cautious man very 00:13:39,030 --> 00:13:39,040 all accounts very cautious man very 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:40,389 all accounts very cautious man very aware that he has to rescue the 00:13:40,389 --> 00:13:40,399 aware that he has to rescue the 00:13:40,399 --> 00:13:42,110 aware that he has to rescue the reputation of the Court sorry man you 00:13:42,110 --> 00:13:42,120 reputation of the Court sorry man you 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,110 reputation of the Court sorry man you have to fill me in what what what did 00:13:44,110 --> 00:13:44,120 have to fill me in what what what did 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,389 have to fill me in what what what did they do that brought down the reputation 00:13:46,389 --> 00:13:46,399 they do that brought down the reputation 00:13:46,399 --> 00:13:49,910 they do that brought down the reputation um they uh dragged their heels over 00:13:49,910 --> 00:13:49,920 um they uh dragged their heels over 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,550 um they uh dragged their heels over people who should be prosecuted and uh 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:52,560 people who should be prosecuted and uh 00:13:52,560 --> 00:13:54,069 people who should be prosecuted and uh spent a great deal of time trying to 00:13:54,069 --> 00:13:54,079 spent a great deal of time trying to 00:13:54,079 --> 00:13:56,389 spent a great deal of time trying to persecute Israel uh which is the one 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:56,399 persecute Israel uh which is the one 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:59,150 persecute Israel uh which is the one democracy in the Middle East um they 00:13:59,150 --> 00:13:59,160 democracy in the Middle East um they 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,749 democracy in the Middle East um they were partisan and incompetent uh I mean 00:14:02,749 --> 00:14:02,759 were partisan and incompetent uh I mean 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:04,870 were partisan and incompetent uh I mean this it's it's a it's a it's a whole 00:14:04,870 --> 00:14:04,880 this it's it's a it's a it's a whole 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:07,910 this it's it's a it's a it's a whole different story but but basically um 00:14:07,910 --> 00:14:07,920 different story but but basically um 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,310 different story but but basically um kareim Khan was very much aware that he 00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:10,320 kareim Khan was very much aware that he 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,069 kareim Khan was very much aware that he had to restore the Court's reputation as 00:14:13,069 --> 00:14:13,079 had to restore the Court's reputation as 00:14:13,079 --> 00:14:16,710 had to restore the Court's reputation as a as a as a as um uh an impartial court 00:14:16,710 --> 00:14:16,720 a as a as a as um uh an impartial court 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,230 a as a as a as um uh an impartial court of law and consequently to me and to 00:14:19,230 --> 00:14:19,240 of law and consequently to me and to 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:23,150 of law and consequently to me and to many others uh we were astonished by 00:14:23,150 --> 00:14:23,160 many others uh we were astonished by 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,829 many others uh we were astonished by what he's just done for for these 00:14:25,829 --> 00:14:25,839 what he's just done for for these 00:14:25,839 --> 00:14:28,430 what he's just done for for these reasons first of all to draw the 00:14:28,430 --> 00:14:28,440 reasons first of all to draw the 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,389 reasons first of all to draw the equivalence that he drew between 00:14:31,389 --> 00:14:31,399 equivalence that he drew between 00:14:31,399 --> 00:14:33,990 equivalence that he drew between Netanyahu and the Israelis on the one 00:14:33,990 --> 00:14:34,000 Netanyahu and the Israelis on the one 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,269 Netanyahu and the Israelis on the one hand who are defending the country 00:14:36,269 --> 00:14:36,279 hand who are defending the country 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:38,590 hand who are defending the country against genocide and fighting a just War 00:14:38,590 --> 00:14:38,600 against genocide and fighting a just War 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:40,310 against genocide and fighting a just War to equate them with the people who are 00:14:40,310 --> 00:14:40,320 to equate them with the people who are 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,590 to equate them with the people who are trying to perpetrate the genocide who 00:14:42,590 --> 00:14:42,600 trying to perpetrate the genocide who 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,749 trying to perpetrate the genocide who committed the atrocities of October 7 00:14:44,749 --> 00:14:44,759 committed the atrocities of October 7 00:14:44,759 --> 00:14:46,790 committed the atrocities of October 7 who are still holding more than 00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:46,800 who are still holding more than 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,150 who are still holding more than 130 Israelis hostage how however many of 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:50,160 130 Israelis hostage how however many of 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,030 130 Israelis hostage how however many of those are still alive we don't know um 00:14:53,030 --> 00:14:53,040 those are still alive we don't know um 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,790 those are still alive we don't know um uh and to threaten more um to equate the 00:14:55,790 --> 00:14:55,800 uh and to threaten more um to equate the 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,990 uh and to threaten more um to equate the two the perpetrators of genocide and the 00:14:58,990 --> 00:14:59,000 two the perpetrators of genocide and the 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,110 two the perpetrators of genocide and the Defenders against it is obscene that's 00:15:01,110 --> 00:15:01,120 Defenders against it is obscene that's 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,550 Defenders against it is obscene that's the first thing the second thing is that 00:15:03,550 --> 00:15:03,560 the first thing the second thing is that 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,990 the first thing the second thing is that he did it uh in his request for the 00:15:05,990 --> 00:15:06,000 he did it uh in his request for the 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,470 he did it uh in his request for the arrest warrant by deploying all the lies 00:15:09,470 --> 00:15:09,480 arrest warrant by deploying all the lies 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,430 arrest warrant by deploying all the lies that are the boilerplate of people who 00:15:11,430 --> 00:15:11,440 that are the boilerplate of people who 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,670 that are the boilerplate of people who want Israel destroyed they are lies 00:15:13,670 --> 00:15:13,680 want Israel destroyed they are lies 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,269 want Israel destroyed they are lies every single one of them is a lie so for 00:15:16,269 --> 00:15:16,279 every single one of them is a lie so for 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:19,790 every single one of them is a lie so for example uh the lie that Israel is uh or 00:15:19,790 --> 00:15:19,800 example uh the lie that Israel is uh or 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:22,150 example uh the lie that Israel is uh or Israel's Defense Forces um are 00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:22,160 Israel's Defense Forces um are 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,030 Israel's Defense Forces um are deliberately inflicting starvation upon 00:15:25,030 --> 00:15:25,040 deliberately inflicting starvation upon 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,350 deliberately inflicting starvation upon the people of Gaza is gain said 00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:27,360 the people of Gaza is gain said 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,030 the people of Gaza is gain said immediately by the uh hundreds of trucks 00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:31,040 immediately by the uh hundreds of trucks 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:33,590 immediately by the uh hundreds of trucks and hundreds of tons of food that have 00:15:33,590 --> 00:15:33,600 and hundreds of tons of food that have 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,949 and hundreds of tons of food that have gone in since the beginning of the war 00:15:35,949 --> 00:15:35,959 gone in since the beginning of the war 00:15:35,959 --> 00:15:37,990 gone in since the beginning of the war the lie that Israel has and it's Hamas 00:15:37,990 --> 00:15:38,000 the lie that Israel has and it's Hamas 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,710 the lie that Israel has and it's Hamas in fact who are and it's Hamas who are 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:40,720 in fact who are and it's Hamas who are 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,829 in fact who are and it's Hamas who are stealing the aid and according to one 00:15:43,829 --> 00:15:43,839 stealing the aid and according to one 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:46,910 stealing the aid and according to one analyst uh supported by the shinb BET 00:15:46,910 --> 00:15:46,920 analyst uh supported by the shinb BET 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,550 analyst uh supported by the shinb BET analysis uh Israel Security Service uh 00:15:50,550 --> 00:15:50,560 analysis uh Israel Security Service uh 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,629 analysis uh Israel Security Service uh the Hamas have made approximately half a 00:15:53,629 --> 00:15:53,639 the Hamas have made approximately half a 00:15:53,639 --> 00:15:57,189 the Hamas have made approximately half a billion dollars in profit from the black 00:15:57,189 --> 00:15:57,199 billion dollars in profit from the black 00:15:57,199 --> 00:16:00,629 billion dollars in profit from the black market in the aid they have stolen since 00:16:00,629 --> 00:16:00,639 market in the aid they have stolen since 00:16:00,639 --> 00:16:04,069 market in the aid they have stolen since October 7 wow and they've used the aid 00:16:04,069 --> 00:16:04,079 October 7 wow and they've used the aid 00:16:04,079 --> 00:16:05,749 October 7 wow and they've used the aid also for themselves how is anyone 00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:05,759 also for themselves how is anyone 00:16:05,759 --> 00:16:06,749 also for themselves how is anyone monitoring that how could anyone 00:16:06,749 --> 00:16:06,759 monitoring that how could anyone 00:16:06,759 --> 00:16:09,150 monitoring that how could anyone possibly know I cannot tell you uh but 00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:09,160 possibly know I cannot tell you uh but 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:10,990 possibly know I cannot tell you uh but people are putting things together they 00:16:10,990 --> 00:16:11,000 people are putting things together they 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,430 people are putting things together they know how much has come in they know 00:16:12,430 --> 00:16:12,440 know how much has come in they know 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,189 know how much has come in they know what's being sold on the black market 00:16:14,189 --> 00:16:14,199 what's being sold on the black market 00:16:14,199 --> 00:16:16,309 what's being sold on the black market and you only have to go on YouTube to 00:16:16,309 --> 00:16:16,319 and you only have to go on YouTube to 00:16:16,319 --> 00:16:19,110 and you only have to go on YouTube to see Garin ordinary 00:16:19,110 --> 00:16:19,120 see Garin ordinary 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:24,230 see Garin ordinary Garin um uh protesting and denouncing 00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:24,240 Garin um uh protesting and denouncing 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,790 Garin um uh protesting and denouncing Hamas for stealing the aid from them 00:16:27,790 --> 00:16:27,800 Hamas for stealing the aid from them 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:30,269 Hamas for stealing the aid from them both for their own use which enables 00:16:30,269 --> 00:16:30,279 both for their own use which enables 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:32,629 both for their own use which enables them to continue to wage their War Of 00:16:32,629 --> 00:16:32,639 them to continue to wage their War Of 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:34,550 them to continue to wage their War Of Terror and also to sell on the Black 00:16:34,550 --> 00:16:34,560 Terror and also to sell on the Black 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:36,990 Terror and also to sell on the Black Market at such inflated prices ordinary 00:16:36,990 --> 00:16:37,000 Market at such inflated prices ordinary 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,629 Market at such inflated prices ordinary garans can't afford it so that's what's 00:16:39,629 --> 00:16:39,639 garans can't afford it so that's what's 00:16:39,639 --> 00:16:44,189 garans can't afford it so that's what's been going on and um so Kareem Khan's um 00:16:44,189 --> 00:16:44,199 been going on and um so Kareem Khan's um 00:16:44,199 --> 00:16:48,269 been going on and um so Kareem Khan's um also an accuses um uh Israel of 00:16:48,269 --> 00:16:48,279 also an accuses um uh Israel of 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:52,309 also an accuses um uh Israel of willfully willfully killing is gazan 00:16:52,309 --> 00:16:52,319 willfully willfully killing is gazan 00:16:52,319 --> 00:16:54,990 willfully willfully killing is gazan civilians now that is a that is what we 00:16:54,990 --> 00:16:55,000 civilians now that is a that is what we 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,590 civilians now that is a that is what we would call in the Jewish Community a 00:16:56,590 --> 00:16:56,600 would call in the Jewish Community a 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,470 would call in the Jewish Community a blood Lial it is a Lial 00:16:59,470 --> 00:16:59,480 blood Lial it is a Lial 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,309 blood Lial it is a Lial and it accuses Israel or the Israelis of 00:17:02,309 --> 00:17:02,319 and it accuses Israel or the Israelis of 00:17:02,319 --> 00:17:05,069 and it accuses Israel or the Israelis of being demonic literally willfully 00:17:05,069 --> 00:17:05,079 being demonic literally willfully 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:07,669 being demonic literally willfully killing civilians now what's that based 00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:07,679 killing civilians now what's that based 00:17:07,679 --> 00:17:11,189 killing civilians now what's that based on it's based on Hamas statistics which 00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:11,199 on it's based on Hamas statistics which 00:17:11,199 --> 00:17:14,549 on it's based on Hamas statistics which Hamas itself no longer uses everybody in 00:17:14,549 --> 00:17:14,559 Hamas itself no longer uses everybody in 00:17:14,559 --> 00:17:17,150 Hamas itself no longer uses everybody in the western media says you know 00:17:17,150 --> 00:17:17,160 the western media says you know 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,710 the western media says you know 35,000 plus civilians have been killed 00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:20,720 35,000 plus civilians have been killed 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,949 35,000 plus civilians have been killed in Gaza of whom the vast majority are 00:17:23,949 --> 00:17:23,959 in Gaza of whom the vast majority are 00:17:23,959 --> 00:17:27,110 in Gaza of whom the vast majority are women and children that fact has incited 00:17:27,110 --> 00:17:27,120 women and children that fact has incited 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:30,669 women and children that fact has incited hatred of Israel hatred of Jews who for 00:17:30,669 --> 00:17:30,679 hatred of Israel hatred of Jews who for 00:17:30,679 --> 00:17:32,470 hatred of Israel hatred of Jews who for who support 00:17:32,470 --> 00:17:32,480 who support 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,990 who support Israel there's various problems sorry 00:17:34,990 --> 00:17:35,000 Israel there's various problems sorry 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,029 Israel there's various problems sorry over time over the over the last few 00:17:37,029 --> 00:17:37,039 over time over the over the last few 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:40,150 over time over the over the last few months um experts came forward 00:17:40,150 --> 00:17:40,160 months um experts came forward 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,310 months um experts came forward statisticians and said these figures are 00:17:43,310 --> 00:17:43,320 statisticians and said these figures are 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:45,630 statisticians and said these figures are statistically impossible they've been 00:17:45,630 --> 00:17:45,640 statistically impossible they've been 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,190 statistically impossible they've been made up and so authoritative were these 00:17:49,190 --> 00:17:49,200 made up and so authoritative were these 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,150 made up and so authoritative were these criticisms that the Hamas itself the 00:17:51,150 --> 00:17:51,160 criticisms that the Hamas itself the 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,070 criticisms that the Hamas itself the Hamas run Health ministry that's 00:17:53,070 --> 00:17:53,080 Hamas run Health ministry that's 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:54,230 Hamas run Health ministry that's producing these 00:17:54,230 --> 00:17:54,240 producing these 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,070 producing these statistics uh quietly downgraded its own 00:17:58,070 --> 00:17:58,080 statistics uh quietly downgraded its own 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,430 statistics uh quietly downgraded its own figures 00:17:59,430 --> 00:17:59,440 figures 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,470 figures lowered the numbers and said uh we've 00:18:02,470 --> 00:18:02,480 lowered the numbers and said uh we've 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:03,710 lowered the numbers and said uh we've taken some of these numbers from the 00:18:03,710 --> 00:18:03,720 taken some of these numbers from the 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,990 taken some of these numbers from the media 00:18:05,990 --> 00:18:06,000 media 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,149 media hello this was not reported in the 00:18:08,149 --> 00:18:08,159 hello this was not reported in the 00:18:08,159 --> 00:18:11,909 hello this was not reported in the British media at all lo and behold May 00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:11,919 British media at all lo and behold May 00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:15,149 British media at all lo and behold May the eth the United Nations which had 00:18:15,149 --> 00:18:15,159 the eth the United Nations which had 00:18:15,159 --> 00:18:17,830 the eth the United Nations which had hitherto used the Hamas run Health 00:18:17,830 --> 00:18:17,840 hitherto used the Hamas run Health 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:20,510 hitherto used the Hamas run Health Ministry figures as 00:18:20,510 --> 00:18:20,520 Ministry figures as 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,590 Ministry figures as authoritative the UN quietly without 00:18:23,590 --> 00:18:23,600 authoritative the UN quietly without 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,710 authoritative the UN quietly without saying anything halved its estimate of 00:18:27,710 --> 00:18:27,720 saying anything halved its estimate of 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,190 saying anything halved its estimate of the number of Garin civilians killed 00:18:30,190 --> 00:18:30,200 the number of Garin civilians killed 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:32,710 the number of Garin civilians killed halved it as a result I don't think 00:18:32,710 --> 00:18:32,720 halved it as a result I don't think 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,149 halved it as a result I don't think that's actually quite accurate sorry I 00:18:34,149 --> 00:18:34,159 that's actually quite accurate sorry I 00:18:34,159 --> 00:18:35,870 that's actually quite accurate sorry I think they halved the number of women 00:18:35,870 --> 00:18:35,880 think they halved the number of women 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,950 think they halved the number of women and children but not the actual total 00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:37,960 and children but not the actual total 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,830 and children but not the actual total number the total number was in was was I 00:18:40,830 --> 00:18:40,840 number the total number was in was was I 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,630 number the total number was in was was I think generally 00:18:42,630 --> 00:18:42,640 think generally 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,390 think generally half cuz I it was it was half the half 00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:46,400 half cuz I it was it was half the half 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,350 half cuz I it was it was half the half number they kep around the 35,000 Mark 00:18:48,350 --> 00:18:48,360 number they kep around the 35,000 Mark 00:18:48,360 --> 00:18:50,310 number they kep around the 35,000 Mark but they lowered down the they then 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:50,320 but they lowered down the they then 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,510 but they lowered down the they then tried to M Massage it they then tried to 00:18:52,510 --> 00:18:52,520 tried to M Massage it they then tried to 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,350 tried to M Massage it they then tried to say 00:18:54,350 --> 00:18:54,360 say 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:57,430 say well the figure of 35,000 remains it's 00:18:57,430 --> 00:18:57,440 well the figure of 35,000 remains it's 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,510 well the figure of 35,000 remains it's just that um we can't Identify some of 00:19:00,510 --> 00:19:00,520 just that um we can't Identify some of 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,149 just that um we can't Identify some of them but the lack of identification 00:19:04,149 --> 00:19:04,159 them but the lack of identification 00:19:04,159 --> 00:19:06,549 them but the lack of identification means that they just don't know so 00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:06,559 means that they just don't know so 00:19:06,559 --> 00:19:10,909 means that they just don't know so anyway the fact was they grossly reduced 00:19:10,909 --> 00:19:10,919 anyway the fact was they grossly reduced 00:19:10,919 --> 00:19:13,029 anyway the fact was they grossly reduced greatly reduced the figure without 00:19:13,029 --> 00:19:13,039 greatly reduced the figure without 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:15,710 greatly reduced the figure without telling anybody Now The crucial thing is 00:19:15,710 --> 00:19:15,720 telling anybody Now The crucial thing is 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,149 telling anybody Now The crucial thing is this even if you even if you adopted the 00:19:18,149 --> 00:19:18,159 this even if you even if you adopted the 00:19:18,159 --> 00:19:21,270 this even if you even if you adopted the the original Hamas figures of 00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:21,280 the original Hamas figures of 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,510 the original Hamas figures of 35,000 um and certainly if you reduce it 00:19:24,510 --> 00:19:24,520 35,000 um and certainly if you reduce it 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:25,990 35,000 um and certainly if you reduce it by 00:19:25,990 --> 00:19:26,000 by 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,230 by whatever um Israel estimates said it's 00:19:29,230 --> 00:19:29,240 whatever um Israel estimates said it's 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,190 whatever um Israel estimates said it's killed approximately 00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:31,200 killed approximately 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,750 killed approximately 14,000 00:19:32,750 --> 00:19:32,760 14,000 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,630 14,000 terrorists now that works out I mean I'm 00:19:35,630 --> 00:19:35,640 terrorists now that works out I mean I'm 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,070 terrorists now that works out I mean I'm not very good at doing this on the top 00:19:37,070 --> 00:19:37,080 not very good at doing this on the top 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:38,590 not very good at doing this on the top of my head but it works out at 00:19:38,590 --> 00:19:38,600 of my head but it works out at 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,510 of my head but it works out at approximately 1 point something to one 00:19:41,510 --> 00:19:41,520 approximately 1 point something to one 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,350 approximately 1 point something to one civilian to combatant killed now across 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:45,360 civilian to combatant killed now across 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:49,310 civilian to combatant killed now across the world when Nations go to war the 00:19:49,310 --> 00:19:49,320 the world when Nations go to war the 00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:53,430 the world when Nations go to war the average is 1 to n nine civilans for 00:19:53,430 --> 00:19:53,440 average is 1 to n nine civilans for 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,070 average is 1 to n nine civilans for every competent killed one to one is 00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:56,080 every competent killed one to one is 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:59,029 every competent killed one to one is unheard of no country in the world has 00:19:59,029 --> 00:19:59,039 unheard of no country in the world has 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:01,630 unheard of no country in the world has ever managed to reduce the number of 00:20:01,630 --> 00:20:01,640 ever managed to reduce the number of 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,029 ever managed to reduce the number of civilians killed in the way that Israel 00:20:04,029 --> 00:20:04,039 civilians killed in the way that Israel 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:07,230 civilians killed in the way that Israel has and yet Israel is being accused by 00:20:07,230 --> 00:20:07,240 has and yet Israel is being accused by 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:08,950 has and yet Israel is being accused by the prosecutor of the international 00:20:08,950 --> 00:20:08,960 the prosecutor of the international 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,630 the prosecutor of the international criminal court of willfully 00:20:11,630 --> 00:20:11,640 criminal court of willfully 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,149 criminal court of willfully killing civilians now that is a wicked 00:20:15,149 --> 00:20:15,159 killing civilians now that is a wicked 00:20:15,159 --> 00:20:19,110 killing civilians now that is a wicked lie so those are the things that he did 00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:19,120 lie so those are the things that he did 00:20:19,120 --> 00:20:20,549 lie so those are the things that he did and the final thing I would say about 00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:20,559 and the final thing I would say about 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:23,590 and the final thing I would say about the criminal court what he's done is 00:20:23,590 --> 00:20:23,600 the criminal court what he's done is 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,990 the criminal court what he's done is they the criminal court the 00:20:24,990 --> 00:20:25,000 they the criminal court the 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,789 they the criminal court the international criminal court has a 00:20:27,789 --> 00:20:27,799 international criminal court has a 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:31,070 international criminal court has a bedrock foundational principle it does 00:20:31,070 --> 00:20:31,080 bedrock foundational principle it does 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:32,870 bedrock foundational principle it does not have jurisdiction in other words it 00:20:32,870 --> 00:20:32,880 not have jurisdiction in other words it 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,310 not have jurisdiction in other words it doesn't get involved in a state's 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:36,320 doesn't get involved in a state's 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:41,270 doesn't get involved in a state's Affairs um if the state itself uh ha is 00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:41,280 Affairs um if the state itself uh ha is 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,029 Affairs um if the state itself uh ha is willing to investigate or has the 00:20:43,029 --> 00:20:43,039 willing to investigate or has the 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:45,630 willing to investigate or has the capacity to investigate uh the charges 00:20:45,630 --> 00:20:45,640 capacity to investigate uh the charges 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,510 capacity to investigate uh the charges that are being laid against it and 00:20:48,510 --> 00:20:48,520 that are being laid against it and 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,830 that are being laid against it and because of that fact the criminal the 00:20:50,830 --> 00:20:50,840 because of that fact the criminal the 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,190 because of that fact the criminal the the ICC must give the state time to 00:20:54,190 --> 00:20:54,200 the ICC must give the state time to 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,590 the ICC must give the state time to investigate the claims that the ICC is 00:20:56,590 --> 00:20:56,600 investigate the claims that the ICC is 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,070 investigate the claims that the ICC is making against it now it hasn't given 00:20:59,070 --> 00:20:59,080 making against it now it hasn't given 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,909 making against it now it hasn't given Israel any time it went ahead the 00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:01,919 Israel any time it went ahead the 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:03,950 Israel any time it went ahead the prosecutor went ahead and just received 00:21:03,950 --> 00:21:03,960 prosecutor went ahead and just received 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,909 prosecutor went ahead and just received his request for the arrest warrants and 00:21:06,909 --> 00:21:06,919 his request for the arrest warrants and 00:21:06,919 --> 00:21:08,270 his request for the arrest warrants and it couldn't have given Israel time 00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:08,280 it couldn't have given Israel time 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,950 it couldn't have given Israel time because Israel is still in the middle of 00:21:09,950 --> 00:21:09,960 because Israel is still in the middle of 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,750 because Israel is still in the middle of the war it can't address these these 00:21:12,750 --> 00:21:12,760 the war it can't address these these 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,269 the war it can't address these these claims because the war is still going on 00:21:15,269 --> 00:21:15,279 claims because the war is still going on 00:21:15,279 --> 00:21:19,269 claims because the war is still going on so what Karem Khan has done is to ride a 00:21:19,269 --> 00:21:19,279 so what Karem Khan has done is to ride a 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:21,110 so what Karem Khan has done is to ride a coach on horses through the foundational 00:21:21,110 --> 00:21:21,120 coach on horses through the foundational 00:21:21,120 --> 00:21:22,990 coach on horses through the foundational principle of the Criminal Court of the 00:21:22,990 --> 00:21:23,000 principle of the Criminal Court of the 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,590 principle of the Criminal Court of the international criminal court so that's 00:21:24,590 --> 00:21:24,600 international criminal court so that's 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:25,710 international criminal court so that's the criminal 00:21:25,710 --> 00:21:25,720 the criminal 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,110 the criminal court on human rights um 00:21:29,110 --> 00:21:29,120 court on human rights um 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:33,990 court on human rights um I have long been an opponent of I put it 00:21:33,990 --> 00:21:34,000 I have long been an opponent of I put it 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,390 I have long been an opponent of I put it in inverted commment human rights 00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:36,400 in inverted commment human rights 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:39,630 in inverted commment human rights because these are presented as universal 00:21:39,630 --> 00:21:39,640 because these are presented as universal 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,149 because these are presented as universal human rights um and in fact they are not 00:21:43,149 --> 00:21:43,159 human rights um and in fact they are not 00:21:43,159 --> 00:21:45,630 human rights um and in fact they are not Universal they are highly contingent 00:21:45,630 --> 00:21:45,640 Universal they are highly contingent 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,830 Universal they are highly contingent they are created as a result of um 00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:49,840 they are created as a result of um 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,590 they are created as a result of um documents conventions drawn up by people 00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:53,600 documents conventions drawn up by people 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,950 documents conventions drawn up by people and they are arbitrated by judges for 00:21:55,950 --> 00:21:55,960 and they are arbitrated by judges for 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:57,669 and they are arbitrated by judges for every human right there is a contrary 00:21:57,669 --> 00:21:57,679 every human right there is a contrary 00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:00,590 every human right there is a contrary right it depends entirely on the judges 00:22:00,590 --> 00:22:00,600 right it depends entirely on the judges 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,070 right it depends entirely on the judges arbitrating between these things um 00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:04,080 arbitrating between these things um 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,710 arbitrating between these things um which I think is dubious in itself 00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:06,720 which I think is dubious in itself 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,789 which I think is dubious in itself because it allows the court to play 00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:08,799 because it allows the court to play 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:12,390 because it allows the court to play politics secondly it relies on a body of 00:22:12,390 --> 00:22:12,400 politics secondly it relies on a body of 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,230 politics secondly it relies on a body of law which is international in other 00:22:15,230 --> 00:22:15,240 law which is international in other 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,909 law which is international in other words it's not fixed to any one nation's 00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:17,919 words it's not fixed to any one nation's 00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:22,630 words it's not fixed to any one nation's jurisdiction now to me law has the force 00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:22,640 jurisdiction now to me law has the force 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,110 jurisdiction now to me law has the force and Authority that it does because it 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:25,120 and Authority that it does because it 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:28,149 and Authority that it does because it comes from a nation a nation expresses 00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:28,159 comes from a nation a nation expresses 00:22:28,159 --> 00:22:30,470 comes from a nation a nation expresses its culture through the laws which 00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:30,480 its culture through the laws which 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,430 its culture through the laws which Define the boundaries of what's 00:22:32,430 --> 00:22:32,440 Define the boundaries of what's 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:34,710 Define the boundaries of what's acceptable and not acceptable in that 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:34,720 acceptable and not acceptable in that 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,950 acceptable and not acceptable in that culture those laws are drawn up in a 00:22:36,950 --> 00:22:36,960 culture those laws are drawn up in a 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,870 culture those laws are drawn up in a democracy by democratically elected 00:22:39,870 --> 00:22:39,880 democracy by democratically elected 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,070 democracy by democratically elected representative bodies called parliaments 00:22:43,070 --> 00:22:43,080 representative bodies called parliaments 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:44,830 representative bodies called parliaments those are the laws of the nation and 00:22:44,830 --> 00:22:44,840 those are the laws of the nation and 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,789 those are the laws of the nation and they have validity because they're 00:22:46,789 --> 00:22:46,799 they have validity because they're 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:49,430 they have validity because they're fundamentally founded in the consent of 00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:49,440 fundamentally founded in the consent of 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,789 fundamentally founded in the consent of the people of that nation and they 00:22:51,789 --> 00:22:51,799 the people of that nation and they 00:22:51,799 --> 00:22:54,950 the people of that nation and they express the culture and traditions of 00:22:54,950 --> 00:22:54,960 express the culture and traditions of 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,830 express the culture and traditions of that Nation okay can I make can I make a 00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:57,840 that Nation okay can I make can I make a 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,149 that Nation okay can I make can I make a interruption 00:22:59,149 --> 00:22:59,159 interruption 00:22:59,159 --> 00:23:02,029 interruption a counter to that which is that let's 00:23:02,029 --> 00:23:02,039 a counter to that which is that let's 00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:03,870 a counter to that which is that let's say hypothetically although I think 00:23:03,870 --> 00:23:03,880 say hypothetically although I think 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,190 say hypothetically although I think there have been examples of this you are 00:23:06,190 --> 00:23:06,200 there have been examples of this you are 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,510 there have been examples of this you are a young woman in Iran or in Afghanistan 00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:09,520 a young woman in Iran or in Afghanistan 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,029 a young woman in Iran or in Afghanistan under the Taliban under the Iranian 00:23:12,029 --> 00:23:12,039 under the Taliban under the Iranian 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:13,310 under the Taliban under the Iranian regime 00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:13,320 regime 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,549 regime yeah and there have been examples where 00:23:15,549 --> 00:23:15,559 yeah and there have been examples where 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:18,269 yeah and there have been examples where these women appeal to international 00:23:18,269 --> 00:23:18,279 these women appeal to international 00:23:18,279 --> 00:23:22,750 these women appeal to international human rights in order to deal with the 00:23:22,750 --> 00:23:22,760 human rights in order to deal with the 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,269 human rights in order to deal with the oppression that they face themselves so 00:23:25,269 --> 00:23:25,279 oppression that they face themselves so 00:23:25,279 --> 00:23:28,029 oppression that they face themselves so is that not an example of when it's good 00:23:28,029 --> 00:23:28,039 is that not an example of when it's good 00:23:28,039 --> 00:23:30,110 is that not an example of when it's good that we have in principle absolutely and 00:23:30,110 --> 00:23:30,120 that we have in principle absolutely and 00:23:30,120 --> 00:23:31,669 that we have in principle absolutely and that's why it was invented in the first 00:23:31,669 --> 00:23:31,679 that's why it was invented in the first 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:33,909 that's why it was invented in the first place it was invented basically by 00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:33,919 place it was invented basically by 00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:36,669 place it was invented basically by mainly by Jews and others but between 00:23:36,669 --> 00:23:36,679 mainly by Jews and others but between 00:23:36,679 --> 00:23:38,590 mainly by Jews and others but between the wars and especially after the war on 00:23:38,590 --> 00:23:38,600 the wars and especially after the war on 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,430 the wars and especially after the war on the basis 00:23:40,430 --> 00:23:40,440 the basis 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,470 the basis that by definition because of the terror 00:23:43,470 --> 00:23:43,480 that by definition because of the terror 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,110 that by definition because of the terror of Naz the the Nazi Terror and because 00:23:46,110 --> 00:23:46,120 of Naz the the Nazi Terror and because 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:47,390 of Naz the the Nazi Terror and because even before the Nazi Terror the 00:23:47,390 --> 00:23:47,400 even before the Nazi Terror the 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,830 even before the Nazi Terror the oppression of Jews in Eastern Europe the 00:23:49,830 --> 00:23:49,840 oppression of Jews in Eastern Europe the 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,070 oppression of Jews in Eastern Europe the pogroms and so on uh by definition the 00:23:53,070 --> 00:23:53,080 pogroms and so on uh by definition the 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,950 pogroms and so on uh by definition the Nations uh um uh structures of the the 00:23:56,950 --> 00:23:56,960 Nations uh um uh structures of the the 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,750 Nations uh um uh structures of the the the structures of those Nations could 00:23:58,750 --> 00:23:58,760 the structures of those Nations could 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,230 the structures of those Nations could not be relied on to administer Justice 00:24:01,230 --> 00:24:01,240 not be relied on to administer Justice 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,149 not be relied on to administer Justice by definition they were not 00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:02,159 by definition they were not 00:24:02,159 --> 00:24:04,029 by definition they were not administering Justice and therefore in 00:24:04,029 --> 00:24:04,039 administering Justice and therefore in 00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:06,269 administering Justice and therefore in order to protect these minorities the 00:24:06,269 --> 00:24:06,279 order to protect these minorities the 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:07,750 order to protect these minorities the International Community had to get 00:24:07,750 --> 00:24:07,760 International Community had to get 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,310 International Community had to get together and make laws that was the 00:24:09,310 --> 00:24:09,320 together and make laws that was the 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,750 together and make laws that was the whole purpose of it a noble purpose but 00:24:12,750 --> 00:24:12,760 whole purpose of it a noble purpose but 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,710 whole purpose of it a noble purpose but in fact it doesn't work like that 00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:14,720 in fact it doesn't work like that 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,750 in fact it doesn't work like that because tyrants don't accept any of this 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:18,760 because tyrants don't accept any of this 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,710 because tyrants don't accept any of this international law and human rights law 00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:20,720 international law and human rights law 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,909 international law and human rights law has not stopped any of these things it's 00:24:22,909 --> 00:24:22,919 has not stopped any of these things it's 00:24:22,919 --> 00:24:25,470 has not stopped any of these things it's not stopped Putin it's not stopped China 00:24:25,470 --> 00:24:25,480 not stopped Putin it's not stopped China 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:27,389 not stopped Putin it's not stopped China from oppressing its own Wagers and 00:24:27,389 --> 00:24:27,399 from oppressing its own Wagers and 00:24:27,399 --> 00:24:31,110 from oppressing its own Wagers and others it's not stop Assad in Syria from 00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:31,120 others it's not stop Assad in Syria from 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:33,870 others it's not stop Assad in Syria from killing Untold hundreds of thousands of 00:24:33,870 --> 00:24:33,880 killing Untold hundreds of thousands of 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,549 killing Untold hundreds of thousands of people it doesn't stop tyrants and what 00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:36,559 people it doesn't stop tyrants and what 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,750 people it doesn't stop tyrants and what was said at the time that international 00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:38,760 was said at the time that international 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,909 was said at the time that international human rights law was being devised for 00:24:40,909 --> 00:24:40,919 human rights law was being devised for 00:24:40,919 --> 00:24:43,110 human rights law was being devised for the most noble of reasons was that if 00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:43,120 the most noble of reasons was that if 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:46,590 the most noble of reasons was that if you don't anchor it in a nation's 00:24:46,590 --> 00:24:46,600 you don't anchor it in a nation's 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,470 you don't anchor it in a nation's culture and its 00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:48,480 culture and its 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,630 culture and its parliaments if it's detached from a 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:50,640 parliaments if it's detached from a 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,350 parliaments if it's detached from a nation if it's a free floating 00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:53,360 nation if it's a free floating 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,149 nation if it's a free floating thing then it's going to be captured by 00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:56,159 thing then it's going to be captured by 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,430 thing then it's going to be captured by politics it's going to be a political 00:24:58,430 --> 00:24:58,440 politics it's going to be a political 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,230 politics it's going to be a political court and that's why the U the ICC has 00:25:01,230 --> 00:25:01,240 court and that's why the U the ICC has 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,750 court and that's why the U the ICC has always been a political court and that's 00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:03,760 always been a political court and that's 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,870 always been a political court and that's why human rights law has now 00:25:05,870 --> 00:25:05,880 why human rights law has now 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,669 why human rights law has now unfortunately generally human rights 00:25:07,669 --> 00:25:07,679 unfortunately generally human rights 00:25:07,679 --> 00:25:10,510 unfortunately generally human rights culture human rights law human rights 00:25:10,510 --> 00:25:10,520 culture human rights law human rights 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:11,990 culture human rights law human rights institutions the 00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:12,000 institutions the 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,590 institutions the ICC uh the icj the international court 00:25:14,590 --> 00:25:14,600 ICC uh the icj the international court 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,430 ICC uh the icj the international court of justice the United Nations all the 00:25:17,430 --> 00:25:17,440 of justice the United Nations all the 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,870 of justice the United Nations all the big NOS non-governmental organizations 00:25:19,870 --> 00:25:19,880 big NOS non-governmental organizations 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,110 big NOS non-governmental organizations that deal with human rights they've all 00:25:22,110 --> 00:25:22,120 that deal with human rights they've all 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:24,870 that deal with human rights they've all been captured by an ideology which 00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:24,880 been captured by an ideology which 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,870 been captured by an ideology which basically 00:25:25,870 --> 00:25:25,880 basically 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,830 basically says the Jewish state 00:25:28,830 --> 00:25:28,840 says the Jewish state 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:33,669 says the Jewish state of Israel must go and that's why we see 00:25:33,669 --> 00:25:33,679 of Israel must go and that's why we see 00:25:33,679 --> 00:25:35,590 of Israel must go and that's why we see this you know all these human rights 00:25:35,590 --> 00:25:35,600 this you know all these human rights 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,990 this you know all these human rights institutions are viciously anti-israel 00:25:38,990 --> 00:25:39,000 institutions are viciously anti-israel 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,669 institutions are viciously anti-israel because human rights has become a 00:25:40,669 --> 00:25:40,679 because human rights has become a 00:25:40,679 --> 00:25:42,990 because human rights has become a political instrument of the attempt to 00:25:42,990 --> 00:25:43,000 political instrument of the attempt to 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,789 political instrument of the attempt to destroy Israel if I can illustrate the 00:25:45,789 --> 00:25:45,799 destroy Israel if I can illustrate the 00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:48,110 destroy Israel if I can illustrate the ABS absurdity it uh I don't know if 00:25:48,110 --> 00:25:48,120 ABS absurdity it uh I don't know if 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,590 ABS absurdity it uh I don't know if you've seen this but the European Court 00:25:49,590 --> 00:25:49,600 you've seen this but the European Court 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,070 you've seen this but the European Court of human rights have just ruled against 00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:51,080 of human rights have just ruled against 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,190 of human rights have just ruled against the Swiss government because 2,000 women 00:25:54,190 --> 00:25:54,200 the Swiss government because 2,000 women 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,870 the Swiss government because 2,000 women over 64 claimed that climate change was 00:25:57,870 --> 00:25:57,880 over 64 claimed that climate change was 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,710 over 64 claimed that climate change was affect ing their health and they won the 00:26:01,710 --> 00:26:01,720 affect ing their health and they won the 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,269 affect ing their health and they won the case the Swiss government now has to 00:26:03,269 --> 00:26:03,279 case the Swiss government now has to 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:07,269 case the Swiss government now has to implement policy and recompense the 00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:07,279 implement policy and recompense the 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,310 implement policy and recompense the legal fees of these 2,000 women so that 00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:10,320 legal fees of these 2,000 women so that 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,269 legal fees of these 2,000 women so that that's an example of how absurd this has 00:26:12,269 --> 00:26:12,279 that's an example of how absurd this has 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:14,870 that's an example of how absurd this has got but my question would be what's the 00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:14,880 got but my question would be what's the 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,470 got but my question would be what's the alternative are you saying abolish all 00:26:17,470 --> 00:26:17,480 alternative are you saying abolish all 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:18,430 alternative are you saying abolish all of these 00:26:18,430 --> 00:26:18,440 of these 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,510 of these things and what what's the best way for 00:26:21,510 --> 00:26:21,520 things and what what's the best way for 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,110 things and what what's the best way for Nations to deal with such injustices 00:26:24,110 --> 00:26:24,120 Nations to deal with such injustices 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:26,830 Nations to deal with such injustices what I'm about to say will uh perhaps 00:26:26,830 --> 00:26:26,840 what I'm about to say will uh perhaps 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,190 what I'm about to say will uh perhaps shock you to the Core and it will shock 00:26:29,190 --> 00:26:29,200 shock you to the Core and it will shock 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,269 shock you to the Core and it will shock everybody who subscribes to the 00:26:31,269 --> 00:26:31,279 everybody who subscribes to the 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:33,310 everybody who subscribes to the unchallengeable view that there is 00:26:33,310 --> 00:26:33,320 unchallengeable view that there is 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,990 unchallengeable view that there is nothing worse than War ever War has to 00:26:36,990 --> 00:26:37,000 nothing worse than War ever War has to 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,510 nothing worse than War ever War has to be avoided and that's why you do law 00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:39,520 be avoided and that's why you do law 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,310 be avoided and that's why you do law that's why you do human rights law what 00:26:42,310 --> 00:26:42,320 that's why you do human rights law what 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,310 that's why you do human rights law what do you put in its place you put in its 00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:44,320 do you put in its place you put in its 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,070 do you put in its place you put in its place National Democratic Democrat the 00:26:48,070 --> 00:26:48,080 place National Democratic Democrat the 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,190 place National Democratic Democrat the laws of democratic nations I mean the 00:26:50,190 --> 00:26:50,200 laws of democratic nations I mean the 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,750 laws of democratic nations I mean the idea for example if Britain were to you 00:26:52,750 --> 00:26:52,760 idea for example if Britain were to you 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,430 idea for example if Britain were to you know come out of the European convention 00:26:54,430 --> 00:26:54,440 know come out of the European convention 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:55,990 know come out of the European convention on human rights which is a matter of 00:26:55,990 --> 00:26:56,000 on human rights which is a matter of 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,669 on human rights which is a matter of some discussion at the moment and 00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:57,679 some discussion at the moment and 00:26:57,679 --> 00:27:00,750 some discussion at the moment and everybody says this would be appalling 00:27:00,750 --> 00:27:00,760 everybody says this would be appalling 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,029 everybody says this would be appalling it would mean we have no human rights 00:27:02,029 --> 00:27:02,039 it would mean we have no human rights 00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:05,110 it would mean we have no human rights anymore excuse me Britain invented them 00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:05,120 anymore excuse me Britain invented them 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,630 anymore excuse me Britain invented them invented invented Liberty political 00:27:07,630 --> 00:27:07,640 invented invented Liberty political 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,870 invented invented Liberty political Liberty uh a tradition that has been uh 00:27:11,870 --> 00:27:11,880 Liberty uh a tradition that has been uh 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,029 Liberty uh a tradition that has been uh enshrined in the common law the most 00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:15,039 enshrined in the common law the most 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:20,350 enshrined in the common law the most Liberty fulfilling Doctrine ever um 00:27:20,350 --> 00:27:20,360 Liberty fulfilling Doctrine ever um 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,070 Liberty fulfilling Doctrine ever um and in my view Liberty in Britain has 00:27:23,070 --> 00:27:23,080 and in my view Liberty in Britain has 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,430 and in my view Liberty in Britain has been much constrained by the impact of 00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:26,440 been much constrained by the impact of 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,430 been much constrained by the impact of the European convention on human rights 00:27:28,430 --> 00:27:28,440 the European convention on human rights 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:30,470 the European convention on human rights which is man-made law arbitrated by 00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:30,480 which is man-made law arbitrated by 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,110 which is man-made law arbitrated by judges which sets one set of so-called 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:34,120 judges which sets one set of so-called 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:36,070 judges which sets one set of so-called rights which actually demands against 00:27:36,070 --> 00:27:36,080 rights which actually demands against 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,630 rights which actually demands against another set of so-called rights which 00:27:37,630 --> 00:27:37,640 another set of so-called rights which 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,430 another set of so-called rights which actually demands and someone then loses 00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:41,440 actually demands and someone then loses 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,149 actually demands and someone then loses so I think that democratic nations 00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:44,159 so I think that democratic nations 00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:45,789 so I think that democratic nations should make their own laws but we're not 00:27:45,789 --> 00:27:45,799 should make their own laws but we're not 00:27:45,799 --> 00:27:47,870 should make their own laws but we're not talking about democratic nations clearly 00:27:47,870 --> 00:27:47,880 talking about democratic nations clearly 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,310 talking about democratic nations clearly we're talking you're talking quite 00:27:49,310 --> 00:27:49,320 we're talking you're talking quite 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,430 we're talking you're talking quite rightly about the problem that arises in 00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:51,440 rightly about the problem that arises in 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:53,750 rightly about the problem that arises in non-democratic Nations which oppress 00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:53,760 non-democratic Nations which oppress 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,590 non-democratic Nations which oppress people which really oppress people and 00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:57,600 people which really oppress people and 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,590 people which really oppress people and for that you 00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:59,600 for that you 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,789 for that you know I mean again you know human rights 00:28:03,789 --> 00:28:03,799 know I mean again you know human rights 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:08,190 know I mean again you know human rights law does not give us the ability to hold 00:28:08,190 --> 00:28:08,200 law does not give us the ability to hold 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,830 law does not give us the ability to hold these people to account it's happened 00:28:09,830 --> 00:28:09,840 these people to account it's happened 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:10,789 these people to account it's happened once or 00:28:10,789 --> 00:28:10,799 once or 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:15,470 once or twice uh uh you know mosovich uh was 00:28:15,470 --> 00:28:15,480 twice uh uh you know mosovich uh was 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,789 twice uh uh you know mosovich uh was brought to justice but it's very very 00:28:18,789 --> 00:28:18,799 brought to justice but it's very very 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:22,029 brought to justice but it's very very very rare uh most tyrants get away with 00:28:22,029 --> 00:28:22,039 very rare uh most tyrants get away with 00:28:22,039 --> 00:28:25,029 very rare uh most tyrants get away with it how does one stop Putin one has to 00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:25,039 it how does one stop Putin one has to 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:28,389 it how does one stop Putin one has to fight him how does one stop China one 00:28:28,389 --> 00:28:28,399 fight him how does one stop China one 00:28:28,399 --> 00:28:31,149 fight him how does one stop China one has to fight it not necessarily through 00:28:31,149 --> 00:28:31,159 has to fight it not necessarily through 00:28:31,159 --> 00:28:34,190 has to fight it not necessarily through War you can do it by economic sanctions 00:28:34,190 --> 00:28:34,200 War you can do it by economic sanctions 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,789 War you can do it by economic sanctions you do it by excluding them from the 00:28:35,789 --> 00:28:35,799 you do it by excluding them from the 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,110 you do it by excluding them from the community of civilized Nations you know 00:28:38,110 --> 00:28:38,120 community of civilized Nations you know 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,029 community of civilized Nations you know how do you fight Iran um we have this 00:28:41,029 --> 00:28:41,039 how do you fight Iran um we have this 00:28:41,039 --> 00:28:42,870 how do you fight Iran um we have this enormous human rights 00:28:42,870 --> 00:28:42,880 enormous human rights 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,549 enormous human rights infrastructure Iran is about to get the 00:28:45,549 --> 00:28:45,559 infrastructure Iran is about to get the 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:48,389 infrastructure Iran is about to get the nuclear bomb and Iran is threatening 00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:48,399 nuclear bomb and Iran is threatening 00:28:48,399 --> 00:28:50,230 nuclear bomb and Iran is threatening genocide he might already have it he 00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:50,240 genocide he might already have it he 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,470 genocide he might already have it he threatening genocide against Israel and 00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:52,480 threatening genocide against Israel and 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,350 threatening genocide against Israel and it's threatening war against the against 00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:54,360 it's threatening war against the against 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,350 it's threatening war against the against the West how does one stop that through 00:28:56,350 --> 00:28:56,360 the West how does one stop that through 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,710 the West how does one stop that through the human rights Court excuse me me this 00:28:58,710 --> 00:28:58,720 the human rights Court excuse me me this 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,909 the human rights Court excuse me me this is absurd how does one stop the op the 00:29:01,909 --> 00:29:01,919 is absurd how does one stop the op the 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:04,070 is absurd how does one stop the op the terrible oppression of the Iranian 00:29:04,070 --> 00:29:04,080 terrible oppression of the Iranian 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,990 terrible oppression of the Iranian people particularly Iranian women who 00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:06,000 people particularly Iranian women who 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,990 people particularly Iranian women who are who are Beyond heroic in the attempt 00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:10,000 are who are Beyond heroic in the attempt 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,029 are who are Beyond heroic in the attempt they're making have been making over 00:29:12,029 --> 00:29:12,039 they're making have been making over 00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:14,389 they're making have been making over many years to oppose the 00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:14,399 many years to oppose the 00:29:14,399 --> 00:29:16,789 many years to oppose the regime I mean the idea that 00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:16,799 regime I mean the idea that 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:19,750 regime I mean the idea that international human rights law has any 00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:19,760 international human rights law has any 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,789 international human rights law has any effect on any of that is ridiculous if 00:29:23,789 --> 00:29:23,799 effect on any of that is ridiculous if 00:29:23,799 --> 00:29:26,669 effect on any of that is ridiculous if we in the west want to stop that and we 00:29:26,669 --> 00:29:26,679 we in the west want to stop that and we 00:29:26,679 --> 00:29:29,190 we in the west want to stop that and we should we should taking we should have 00:29:29,190 --> 00:29:29,200 should we should taking we should have 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,509 should we should taking we should have taken and we should be taking cine 00:29:31,509 --> 00:29:31,519 taken and we should be taking cine 00:29:31,519 --> 00:29:33,430 taken and we should be taking cine action against Iran we should have 00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:33,440 action against Iran we should have 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,710 action against Iran we should have starved it of money we should have 00:29:35,710 --> 00:29:35,720 starved it of money we should have 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,789 starved it of money we should have starved it of all diplomatic um 00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:38,799 starved it of all diplomatic um 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:40,870 starved it of all diplomatic um connections we should have made it a 00:29:40,870 --> 00:29:40,880 connections we should have made it a 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,389 connections we should have made it a Parian Nation we should have bankrupted 00:29:43,389 --> 00:29:43,399 Parian Nation we should have bankrupted 00:29:43,399 --> 00:29:45,470 Parian Nation we should have bankrupted it we should have brought the regime to 00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:45,480 it we should have brought the regime to 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,750 it we should have brought the regime to its knees we choose not to say that not 00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:47,760 its knees we choose not to say that not 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,070 its knees we choose not to say that not to do that we choose instead to appease 00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:50,080 to do that we choose instead to appease 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,230 to do that we choose instead to appease it through America through Britain 00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:52,240 it through America through Britain 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,630 it through America through Britain through various in various ways we've 00:29:54,630 --> 00:29:54,640 through various in various ways we've 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,029 through various in various ways we've chosen collectively to appease it to 00:29:58,029 --> 00:29:58,039 chosen collectively to appease it to 00:29:58,039 --> 00:30:00,350 chosen collectively to appease it to Finance it by funneling vast amounts of 00:30:00,350 --> 00:30:00,360 Finance it by funneling vast amounts of 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,590 Finance it by funneling vast amounts of money into it and then we as the West 00:30:02,590 --> 00:30:02,600 money into it and then we as the West 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,710 money into it and then we as the West have the audacity to say that we 00:30:04,710 --> 00:30:04,720 have the audacity to say that we 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,070 have the audacity to say that we actually support human rights because we 00:30:07,070 --> 00:30:07,080 actually support human rights because we 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,269 actually support human rights because we subscribe to the European convention on 00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:09,279 subscribe to the European convention on 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,909 subscribe to the European convention on human rights and we support the ICC and 00:30:11,909 --> 00:30:11,919 human rights and we support the ICC and 00:30:11,919 --> 00:30:14,830 human rights and we support the ICC and the icj and the UN I mean what hypocrisy 00:30:14,830 --> 00:30:14,840 the icj and the UN I mean what hypocrisy 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,870 the icj and the UN I mean what hypocrisy is this what planet are people living on 00:30:17,870 --> 00:30:17,880 is this what planet are people living on 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,110 is this what planet are people living on when did it go wrong in in in do you 00:30:20,110 --> 00:30:20,120 when did it go wrong in in in do you 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:21,789 when did it go wrong in in in do you think as you say it started after the 00:30:21,789 --> 00:30:21,799 think as you say it started after the 00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:24,630 think as you say it started after the second war can you can you pinpoint a 00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:24,640 second war can you can you pinpoint a 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:25,909 second war can you can you pinpoint a specific point where it went of course 00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:25,919 specific point where it went of course 00:30:25,919 --> 00:30:27,789 specific point where it went of course or was it flawed from the beginning well 00:30:27,789 --> 00:30:27,799 or was it flawed from the beginning well 00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:29,710 or was it flawed from the beginning well I think it was fundamentally flawed from 00:30:29,710 --> 00:30:29,720 I think it was fundamentally flawed from 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,110 I think it was fundamentally flawed from the beginning conceptually as I say 00:30:32,110 --> 00:30:32,120 the beginning conceptually as I say 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,710 the beginning conceptually as I say there were one or two people at the time 00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:34,720 there were one or two people at the time 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:38,230 there were one or two people at the time uh who perceived that if you had a free 00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:38,240 uh who perceived that if you had a free 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,149 uh who perceived that if you had a free floating set of laws not anchored in a 00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:40,159 floating set of laws not anchored in a 00:30:40,159 --> 00:30:42,630 floating set of laws not anchored in a national jurisdiction you would end up 00:30:42,630 --> 00:30:42,640 national jurisdiction you would end up 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,750 national jurisdiction you would end up oppressing the wrong people you would 00:30:44,750 --> 00:30:44,760 oppressing the wrong people you would 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,509 oppressing the wrong people you would end up Prosecuting the wrong people I 00:30:46,509 --> 00:30:46,519 end up Prosecuting the wrong people I 00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,669 end up Prosecuting the wrong people I should say and letting the right and 00:30:48,669 --> 00:30:48,679 should say and letting the right and 00:30:48,679 --> 00:30:49,669 should say and letting the right and letting the people who should be 00:30:49,669 --> 00:30:49,679 letting the people who should be 00:30:49,679 --> 00:30:51,669 letting the people who should be prosecuting off the hook so that was 00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:51,679 prosecuting off the hook so that was 00:30:51,679 --> 00:30:54,269 prosecuting off the hook so that was seen from the beginning um so the 00:30:54,269 --> 00:30:54,279 seen from the beginning um so the 00:30:54,279 --> 00:30:55,629 seen from the beginning um so the conceptual flaw was there from the 00:30:55,629 --> 00:30:55,639 conceptual flaw was there from the 00:30:55,639 --> 00:30:58,430 conceptual flaw was there from the beginning but in practice when it went 00:30:58,430 --> 00:30:58,440 beginning but in practice when it went 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,870 beginning but in practice when it went wrong I would say would be around the 00:31:01,870 --> 00:31:01,880 wrong I would say would be around the 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,269 wrong I would say would be around the 1970s or so that's that sort of that 00:31:05,269 --> 00:31:05,279 1970s or so that's that sort of that 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,389 1970s or so that's that sort of that sort of era when 00:31:08,389 --> 00:31:08,399 sort of era when 00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:10,070 sort of era when um 00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:10,080 um 00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,230 um uh the uh I think two things happened 00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:14,240 uh the uh I think two things happened 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,509 uh the uh I think two things happened which were connected the United Nations 00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:17,519 which were connected the United Nations 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,190 which were connected the United Nations became uh started to become dominated by 00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:20,200 became uh started to become dominated by 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,389 became uh started to become dominated by the What's called the I think they're 00:31:21,389 --> 00:31:21,399 the What's called the I think they're 00:31:21,399 --> 00:31:24,389 the What's called the I think they're called the nonaligned Nations um which 00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:24,399 called the nonaligned Nations um which 00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:27,029 called the nonaligned Nations um which were basically radical Marxist it was 00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:27,039 were basically radical Marxist it was 00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,669 were basically radical Marxist it was Radical Marxist view um which basically 00:31:30,669 --> 00:31:30,679 Radical Marxist view um which basically 00:31:30,679 --> 00:31:32,389 Radical Marxist view um which basically divided the world into oppressor and 00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:32,399 divided the world into oppressor and 00:31:32,399 --> 00:31:34,750 divided the world into oppressor and oppressed the West Was the oppressor 00:31:34,750 --> 00:31:34,760 oppressed the West Was the oppressor 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,750 oppressed the West Was the oppressor that was infiltrated the UN yes yes 00:31:37,750 --> 00:31:37,760 that was infiltrated the UN yes yes 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,710 that was infiltrated the UN yes yes because the countries of the UN um the 00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:40,720 because the countries of the UN um the 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,149 because the countries of the UN um the UN expanded its uh it's it's it's um 00:31:45,149 --> 00:31:45,159 UN expanded its uh it's it's it's um 00:31:45,159 --> 00:31:48,230 UN expanded its uh it's it's it's um it's its number it didn't start off as 00:31:48,230 --> 00:31:48,240 it's its number it didn't start off as 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:49,549 it's its number it didn't start off as as as what it is now i' forgotten how 00:31:49,549 --> 00:31:49,559 as as what it is now i' forgotten how 00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:51,269 as as what it is now i' forgotten how many countries it is now but it was much 00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:51,279 many countries it is now but it was much 00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:54,269 many countries it is now but it was much much smaller um anyway um a whole bunch 00:31:54,269 --> 00:31:54,279 much smaller um anyway um a whole bunch 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:56,549 much smaller um anyway um a whole bunch bunch of Nations sort of came on stream 00:31:56,549 --> 00:31:56,559 bunch of Nations sort of came on stream 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:59,070 bunch of Nations sort of came on stream which were very radical um and which 00:31:59,070 --> 00:31:59,080 which were very radical um and which 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,029 which were very radical um and which were dominated by uh by uh the Islamic 00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:03,039 were dominated by uh by uh the Islamic 00:32:03,039 --> 00:32:05,310 were dominated by uh by uh the Islamic World um very very 00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:05,320 World um very very 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,470 World um very very anti-israel um and um that coincided 00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:09,480 anti-israel um and um that coincided 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,990 anti-israel um and um that coincided with the I would say the 00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:12,000 with the I would say the 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,590 with the I would say the spread uh of uh what I would call 00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:15,600 spread uh of uh what I would call 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,070 spread uh of uh what I would call basically radical hard-left views into 00:32:19,070 --> 00:32:19,080 basically radical hard-left views into 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,389 basically radical hard-left views into the universities of the West uh which I 00:32:21,389 --> 00:32:21,399 the universities of the West uh which I 00:32:21,399 --> 00:32:23,509 the universities of the West uh which I think was a long uh a long planned 00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:23,519 think was a long uh a long planned 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,149 think was a long uh a long planned process to 00:32:25,149 --> 00:32:25,159 process to 00:32:25,159 --> 00:32:29,590 process to subvert um the core 00:32:29,590 --> 00:32:29,600 subvert um the core 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,310 subvert um the core codes and traditions of the West from 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:32,320 codes and traditions of the West from 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,310 codes and traditions of the West from inside so it was a kind of you know was 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:34,320 inside so it was a kind of you know was 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,870 inside so it was a kind of you know was called the Long March through the 00:32:35,870 --> 00:32:35,880 called the Long March through the 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,149 called the Long March through the institutions that was getting going in 00:32:38,149 --> 00:32:38,159 institutions that was getting going in 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:42,990 institutions that was getting going in the 70s um and those two things I think 00:32:42,990 --> 00:32:43,000 the 70s um and those two things I think 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,389 the 70s um and those two things I think um and and and and so those that those 00:32:45,389 --> 00:32:45,399 um and and and and so those that those 00:32:45,399 --> 00:32:47,629 um and and and and so those that those things came together and and human 00:32:47,629 --> 00:32:47,639 things came together and and human 00:32:47,639 --> 00:32:50,470 things came together and and human rights human rights law human rights 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:50,480 rights human rights law human rights 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,310 rights human rights law human rights culture became a thing um it became a 00:32:53,310 --> 00:32:53,320 culture became a thing um it became a 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,789 culture became a thing um it became a thing on the Progressive left I remember 00:32:55,789 --> 00:32:55,799 thing on the Progressive left I remember 00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:58,870 thing on the Progressive left I remember you know when Tony Blair uh came to 00:32:58,870 --> 00:32:58,880 you know when Tony Blair uh came to 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,629 you know when Tony Blair uh came to power in what was it 00:33:01,629 --> 00:33:01,639 power in what was it 00:33:01,639 --> 00:33:04,549 power in what was it 1979 um Human Rights was the big thing 00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:04,559 1979 um Human Rights was the big thing 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:06,029 1979 um Human Rights was the big thing you know it was going to create the 00:33:06,029 --> 00:33:06,039 you know it was going to create the 00:33:06,039 --> 00:33:09,269 you know it was going to create the Brave New World in which Prejudice would 00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:09,279 Brave New World in which Prejudice would 00:33:09,279 --> 00:33:12,590 Brave New World in which Prejudice would be excised from the human heart and 00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:12,600 be excised from the human heart and 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,509 be excised from the human heart and nations would no longer do War they 00:33:14,509 --> 00:33:14,519 nations would no longer do War they 00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:17,710 nations would no longer do War they would do law and 00:33:17,710 --> 00:33:17,720 would do law and 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,590 would do law and every global conflict including and in 00:33:21,590 --> 00:33:21,600 every global conflict including and in 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,549 every global conflict including and in particular the Middle East conflict as 00:33:23,549 --> 00:33:23,559 particular the Middle East conflict as 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,310 particular the Middle East conflict as it was called uh which is actually the 00:33:26,310 --> 00:33:26,320 it was called uh which is actually the 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,310 it was called uh which is actually the Arab war of extermination against 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:28,320 Arab war of extermination against 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,070 Arab war of extermination against Israel but that was reframed as a 00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:31,080 Israel but that was reframed as a 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,870 Israel but that was reframed as a conflict over land which had to be uh 00:33:34,870 --> 00:33:34,880 conflict over land which had to be uh 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,629 conflict over land which had to be uh like every other conflict in the world 00:33:37,629 --> 00:33:37,639 like every other conflict in the world 00:33:37,639 --> 00:33:40,430 like every other conflict in the world was susceptible to negotiation and 00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:40,440 was susceptible to negotiation and 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,230 was susceptible to negotiation and compromise because basically everybody 00:33:43,230 --> 00:33:43,240 compromise because basically everybody 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,750 compromise because basically everybody in the world wanted the same thing as 00:33:44,750 --> 00:33:44,760 in the world wanted the same thing as 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,269 in the world wanted the same thing as everybody else they wanted just to live 00:33:47,269 --> 00:33:47,279 everybody else they wanted just to live 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:49,070 everybody else they wanted just to live in peace and all the rest of it and so 00:33:49,070 --> 00:33:49,080 in peace and all the rest of it and so 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,070 in peace and all the rest of it and so you found common ground there's always 00:33:51,070 --> 00:33:51,080 you found common ground there's always 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,430 you found common ground there's always Common Ground you could find so you 00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:53,440 Common Ground you could find so you 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,750 Common Ground you could find so you negotiate with fanatic 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:55,760 negotiate with fanatic 00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,269 negotiate with fanatic lunatics of course because there's 00:33:58,269 --> 00:33:58,279 lunatics of course because there's 00:33:58,279 --> 00:33:59,350 lunatics of course because there's common ground because they're not 00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:59,360 common ground because they're not 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,909 common ground because they're not fanatic lunatics because we in the west 00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:01,919 fanatic lunatics because we in the west 00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:04,269 fanatic lunatics because we in the west this is was the I think the the thinking 00:34:04,269 --> 00:34:04,279 this is was the I think the the thinking 00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,870 this is was the I think the the thinking behind it we in the west who've invented 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:06,880 behind it we in the west who've invented 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,589 behind it we in the west who've invented the human rights culture we in the west 00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:09,599 the human rights culture we in the west 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,109 the human rights culture we in the west know that everyone thinks like us 00:34:13,109 --> 00:34:13,119 know that everyone thinks like us 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:15,790 know that everyone thinks like us because our views are Universal they're 00:34:15,790 --> 00:34:15,800 because our views are Universal they're 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,950 because our views are Universal they're universally applicable and the you know 00:34:17,950 --> 00:34:17,960 universally applicable and the you know 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,629 universally applicable and the you know the Primacy of reason and therefore the 00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:20,639 the Primacy of reason and therefore the 00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:22,470 the Primacy of reason and therefore the Primacy of the of the ability to 00:34:22,470 --> 00:34:22,480 Primacy of the of the ability to 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,990 Primacy of the of the ability to compromise on everything is hardwired 00:34:24,990 --> 00:34:25,000 compromise on everything is hardwired 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,710 compromise on everything is hardwired into all of us desire disaster you re 00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:29,720 into all of us desire disaster you re 00:34:29,720 --> 00:34:32,030 into all of us desire disaster you re reframe a war of extermination against 00:34:32,030 --> 00:34:32,040 reframe a war of extermination against 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,389 reframe a war of extermination against Israel as a conflict over land 00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:35,399 Israel as a conflict over land 00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:38,710 Israel as a conflict over land boundaries you will empower the people 00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:38,720 boundaries you will empower the people 00:34:38,720 --> 00:34:40,589 boundaries you will empower the people who wish to exterminate Israel and 00:34:40,589 --> 00:34:40,599 who wish to exterminate Israel and 00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,190 who wish to exterminate Israel and that's what's happened over many years 00:34:43,190 --> 00:34:43,200 that's what's happened over many years 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,950 that's what's happened over many years so 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:44,960 so 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,950 so um those things became you know the the 00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:47,960 um those things became you know the the 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,470 um those things became you know the the human 00:34:49,470 --> 00:34:49,480 human 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,710 human rights I would say culture it was like 00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:51,720 rights I would say culture it was like 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:54,790 rights I would say culture it was like an ideal of creating the Brotherhood of 00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:54,800 an ideal of creating the Brotherhood of 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,270 an ideal of creating the Brotherhood of Man through this creating a new world 00:34:57,270 --> 00:34:57,280 Man through this creating a new world 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,230 Man through this creating a new world answer able to law not war no violence 00:35:00,230 --> 00:35:00,240 answer able to law not war no violence 00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:04,430 answer able to law not war no violence no killing it was the John lenon imagine 00:35:04,430 --> 00:35:04,440 no killing it was the John lenon imagine 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,430 no killing it was the John lenon imagine imagine a world in which you know there 00:35:06,430 --> 00:35:06,440 imagine a world in which you know there 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,589 imagine a world in which you know there is no there are no divisions it's all 00:35:08,589 --> 00:35:08,599 is no there are no divisions it's all 00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:12,390 is no there are no divisions it's all fine that was Blair that was Blair um 00:35:12,390 --> 00:35:12,400 fine that was Blair that was Blair um 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,470 fine that was Blair that was Blair um and he was simply reflecting a mood that 00:35:15,470 --> 00:35:15,480 and he was simply reflecting a mood that 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,390 and he was simply reflecting a mood that had arrived descended I think mainly 00:35:18,390 --> 00:35:18,400 had arrived descended I think mainly 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,150 had arrived descended I think mainly through the universities you know he 00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:20,160 through the universities you know he 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,910 through the universities you know he didn't invent this he was an ex an a 00:35:23,910 --> 00:35:23,920 didn't invent this he was an ex an a 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,030 didn't invent this he was an ex an a prime Expositor of it but he had the 00:35:26,030 --> 00:35:26,040 prime Expositor of it but he had the 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,630 prime Expositor of it but he had the power to to make it real and so in law 00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:30,640 power to to make it real and so in law 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,990 power to to make it real and so in law he introduced the human rights culture 00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:33,000 he introduced the human rights culture 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,390 he introduced the human rights culture into Britain um in a big way uh because 00:35:36,390 --> 00:35:36,400 into Britain um in a big way uh because 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,710 into Britain um in a big way uh because that's what he was doing he was creating 00:35:37,710 --> 00:35:37,720 that's what he was doing he was creating 00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:41,470 that's what he was doing he was creating a a new Society year zero so you want to 00:35:41,470 --> 00:35:41,480 a a new Society year zero so you want to 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,349 a a new Society year zero so you want to abolish the United Nations 00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:43,359 abolish the United Nations 00:35:43,359 --> 00:35:47,430 abolish the United Nations absolutely I'm okay absolutely of course 00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:47,440 absolutely I'm okay absolutely of course 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,710 absolutely I'm okay absolutely of course it is the epicenter of evil in the world 00:35:50,710 --> 00:35:50,720 it is the epicenter of evil in the world 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,870 it is the epicenter of evil in the world people don't realize this it the 00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:53,880 people don't realize this it the 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,190 people don't realize this it the epicenter wow so you really put it at 00:35:56,190 --> 00:35:56,200 epicenter wow so you really put it at 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,790 epicenter wow so you really put it at the feet of the United Nations all of 00:35:57,790 --> 00:35:57,800 the feet of the United Nations all of 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,670 the feet of the United Nations all of this yes United Nations and Hamas are in 00:36:00,670 --> 00:36:00,680 this yes United Nations and Hamas are in 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,670 this yes United Nations and Hamas are in bed 00:36:02,670 --> 00:36:02,680 bed 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:04,750 bed together okay now you have to explain 00:36:04,750 --> 00:36:04,760 together okay now you have to explain 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,230 together okay now you have to explain that to 00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:06,240 that to 00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:10,589 that to me the United Nations is because they 00:36:10,589 --> 00:36:10,599 me the United Nations is because they 00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:12,910 me the United Nations is because they haven't I haven't seen any them being 00:36:12,910 --> 00:36:12,920 haven't I haven't seen any them being 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,390 haven't I haven't seen any them being saying they're Ed together I mean the 00:36:14,390 --> 00:36:14,400 saying they're Ed together I mean the 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,630 saying they're Ed together I mean the United Nations are not pro Hamas yes 00:36:16,630 --> 00:36:16,640 United Nations are not pro Hamas yes 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,829 United Nations are not pro Hamas yes they are well oh yes they are convince 00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:19,839 they are well oh yes they are convince 00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:22,309 they are well oh yes they are convince me Mr gutterz however you pronounce his 00:36:22,309 --> 00:36:22,319 me Mr gutterz however you pronounce his 00:36:22,319 --> 00:36:24,430 me Mr gutterz however you pronounce his name who is the uh the direct director 00:36:24,430 --> 00:36:24,440 name who is the uh the direct director 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,150 name who is the uh the direct director general of of of the of the UN yeah 00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:28,160 general of of of the of the UN yeah 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,829 general of of of the of the UN yeah um on October 7 said basically terrible 00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:31,839 um on October 7 said basically terrible 00:36:31,839 --> 00:36:33,790 um on October 7 said basically terrible what happened but you know it's Israel's 00:36:33,790 --> 00:36:33,800 what happened but you know it's Israel's 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,270 what happened but you know it's Israel's fault it's the United 00:36:36,270 --> 00:36:36,280 fault it's the United 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,550 fault it's the United Nations the supposed Crucible of peace 00:36:39,550 --> 00:36:39,560 Nations the supposed Crucible of peace 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,190 Nations the supposed Crucible of peace and Justice in the 00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:41,200 and Justice in the 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,710 and Justice in the world the Arbiter of peace and Justice 00:36:43,710 --> 00:36:43,720 world the Arbiter of peace and Justice 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:46,150 world the Arbiter of peace and Justice in the world that's where they started 00:36:46,150 --> 00:36:46,160 in the world that's where they started 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:48,630 in the world that's where they started then you look at what they have done 00:36:48,630 --> 00:36:48,640 then you look at what they have done 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:50,790 then you look at what they have done over 00:36:50,790 --> 00:36:50,800 over 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,790 over Israel um it is astounding the UN Human 00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:55,800 Israel um it is astounding the UN Human 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,470 Israel um it is astounding the UN Human Rights Council is a joke uh at the mo it 00:36:59,470 --> 00:36:59,480 Rights Council is a joke uh at the mo it 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,750 Rights Council is a joke uh at the mo it has kleptocracies and tyrannies on the 00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:01,760 has kleptocracies and tyrannies on the 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,510 has kleptocracies and tyrannies on the Human Rights Council all the time it has 00:37:04,510 --> 00:37:04,520 Human Rights Council all the time it has 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,550 Human Rights Council all the time it has a standing order as it were to treat 00:37:07,550 --> 00:37:07,560 a standing order as it were to treat 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,470 a standing order as it were to treat Israel quite differently from any other 00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:09,480 Israel quite differently from any other 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,109 Israel quite differently from any other country Israel the one democracy in the 00:37:11,109 --> 00:37:11,119 country Israel the one democracy in the 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:13,750 country Israel the one democracy in the Middle East has had more resolutions 00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:13,760 Middle East has had more resolutions 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,470 Middle East has had more resolutions against it at the Human Rights Council 00:37:15,470 --> 00:37:15,480 against it at the Human Rights Council 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,470 against it at the Human Rights Council of the United Nations than I think all 00:37:17,470 --> 00:37:17,480 of the United Nations than I think all 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,950 of the United Nations than I think all the other countries of the world put 00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:18,960 the other countries of the world put 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,790 the other countries of the world put together just imagine one democracy in 00:37:20,790 --> 00:37:20,800 together just imagine one democracy in 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,710 together just imagine one democracy in the Middle East I mean all those 00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:22,720 the Middle East I mean all those 00:37:22,720 --> 00:37:27,150 the Middle East I mean all those terrible tyranis this is insane um I can 00:37:27,150 --> 00:37:27,160 terrible tyranis this is insane um I can 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,430 terrible tyranis this is insane um I can go through through this you know un 00:37:29,430 --> 00:37:29,440 go through through this you know un 00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,150 go through through this you know un staff uh not just anti-israel but 00:37:32,150 --> 00:37:32,160 staff uh not just anti-israel but 00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,790 staff uh not just anti-israel but profoundly 00:37:33,790 --> 00:37:33,800 profoundly 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,109 profoundly anti-semitic they make these these 00:37:36,109 --> 00:37:36,119 anti-semitic they make these these 00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:38,470 anti-semitic they make these these appalling anti-semitic comments and they 00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:38,480 appalling anti-semitic comments and they 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,750 appalling anti-semitic comments and they go on and on come to October 7 um and 00:37:42,750 --> 00:37:42,760 go on and on come to October 7 um and 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,150 go on and on come to October 7 um and the focus is on the United Nations 00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:45,160 the focus is on the United Nations 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,750 the focus is on the United Nations relief and works uh Department ana ana 00:37:49,750 --> 00:37:49,760 relief and works uh Department ana ana 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,829 relief and works uh Department ana ana um which administers humanitarian Aid 00:37:52,829 --> 00:37:52,839 um which administers humanitarian Aid 00:37:52,839 --> 00:37:57,030 um which administers humanitarian Aid schools um Aid in Gaza and what do we 00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:57,040 schools um Aid in Gaza and what do we 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,470 schools um Aid in Gaza and what do we find we find long story short that 00:38:00,470 --> 00:38:00,480 find we find long story short that 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,750 find we find long story short that thousands of them are Hamas uh 00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:02,760 thousands of them are Hamas uh 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,990 thousands of them are Hamas uh operatives they're Hamas operatives and 00:38:04,990 --> 00:38:05,000 operatives they're Hamas operatives and 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,190 operatives they're Hamas operatives and the UN denies it it supports them uh 00:38:08,190 --> 00:38:08,200 the UN denies it it supports them uh 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,910 the UN denies it it supports them uh they are the UN they are the UN and you 00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:11,920 they are the UN they are the UN and you 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,510 they are the UN they are the UN and you know we found was it last week the week 00:38:14,510 --> 00:38:14,520 know we found was it last week the week 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,349 know we found was it last week the week before um the Israelis found uh a a a 00:38:19,349 --> 00:38:19,359 before um the Israelis found uh a a a 00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:23,670 before um the Israelis found uh a a a major Hamas Terror Center in a un in an 00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:23,680 major Hamas Terror Center in a un in an 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,230 major Hamas Terror Center in a un in an unrea either school or medical facility 00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:26,240 unrea either school or medical facility 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,910 unrea either school or medical facility the hospitals are all un are are all are 00:38:28,910 --> 00:38:28,920 the hospitals are all un are are all are 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,870 the hospitals are all un are are all are all Hamas um Terror facilities what the 00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:32,880 all Hamas um Terror facilities what the 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,550 all Hamas um Terror facilities what the Israelis have found the UN is a silent 00:38:37,550 --> 00:38:37,560 Israelis have found the UN is a silent 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,870 Israelis have found the UN is a silent about this but also says it's it's all 00:38:39,870 --> 00:38:39,880 about this but also says it's it's all 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,630 about this but also says it's it's all lies um it uh when I say silent it has 00:38:43,630 --> 00:38:43,640 lies um it uh when I say silent it has 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,430 lies um it uh when I say silent it has never admitted it to any of it he never 00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:45,440 never admitted it to any of it he never 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,829 never admitted it to any of it he never expressed any concern despite copious 00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:47,839 expressed any concern despite copious 00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:51,910 expressed any concern despite copious evidence so that's why I say um the UN 00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:51,920 evidence so that's why I say um the UN 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:53,829 evidence so that's why I say um the UN is in bed with Hamas and when you look 00:38:53,829 --> 00:38:53,839 is in bed with Hamas and when you look 00:38:53,839 --> 00:38:56,190 is in bed with Hamas and when you look at you know the the the conflicts in the 00:38:56,190 --> 00:38:56,200 at you know the the the conflicts in the 00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,270 at you know the the the conflicts in the rest of the world I mean the UN you know 00:39:01,270 --> 00:39:01,280 rest of the world I mean the UN you know 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,790 rest of the world I mean the UN you know look at Syria Russia the idea that 00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:04,800 look at Syria Russia the idea that 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,630 look at Syria Russia the idea that Russia and China are have a have a 00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:08,640 Russia and China are have a have a 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,309 Russia and China are have a have a security Council presence which can 00:39:11,309 --> 00:39:11,319 security Council presence which can 00:39:11,319 --> 00:39:13,190 security Council presence which can affect the 00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:13,200 affect the 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,829 affect the binding decisions of the United Nations 00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:15,839 binding decisions of the United Nations 00:39:15,839 --> 00:39:18,470 binding decisions of the United Nations this is insane how can you have Russia 00:39:18,470 --> 00:39:18,480 this is insane how can you have Russia 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,870 this is insane how can you have Russia and China in such a position how can you 00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:20,880 and China in such a position how can you 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,829 and China in such a position how can you have countries like Iran in such a 00:39:23,829 --> 00:39:23,839 have countries like Iran in such a 00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:25,349 have countries like Iran in such a position on the human rights in the 00:39:25,349 --> 00:39:25,359 position on the human rights in the 00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:28,230 position on the human rights in the human rights part of the UN I mean does 00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:28,240 human rights part of the UN I mean does 00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:30,829 human rights part of the UN I mean does no one sat sit and actually think about 00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:30,839 no one sat sit and actually think about 00:39:30,839 --> 00:39:33,710 no one sat sit and actually think about this people do but but it's like an 00:39:33,710 --> 00:39:33,720 this people do but but it's like an 00:39:33,720 --> 00:39:36,230 this people do but but it's like an inertia because people are still fixated 00:39:36,230 --> 00:39:36,240 inertia because people are still fixated 00:39:36,240 --> 00:39:38,390 inertia because people are still fixated on this idea that in order to have 00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:38,400 on this idea that in order to have 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,670 on this idea that in order to have Global Peace and Justice you must have a 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:40,680 Global Peace and Justice you must have a 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,670 Global Peace and Justice you must have a global institution well no if most of 00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:43,680 global institution well no if most of 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,950 global institution well no if most of the countries of the world are tyrannies 00:39:45,950 --> 00:39:45,960 the countries of the world are tyrannies 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,069 the countries of the world are tyrannies and kleptocracies and deniers of Human 00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:48,079 and kleptocracies and deniers of Human 00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:50,270 and kleptocracies and deniers of Human Rights and genocid dists and 00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:50,280 Rights and genocid dists and 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,230 Rights and genocid dists and imperialists and Rogues of one kind or 00:39:53,230 --> 00:39:53,240 imperialists and Rogues of one kind or 00:39:53,240 --> 00:39:56,069 imperialists and Rogues of one kind or another if you have a global body it's 00:39:56,069 --> 00:39:56,079 another if you have a global body it's 00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:57,390 another if you have a global body it's going to be dominated by these people 00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:57,400 going to be dominated by these people 00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,510 going to be dominated by these people people so how can that Global body ever 00:40:00,510 --> 00:40:00,520 people so how can that Global body ever 00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:03,069 people so how can that Global body ever be the Arbiter of peace and Justice on 00:40:03,069 --> 00:40:03,079 be the Arbiter of peace and Justice on 00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:06,790 be the Arbiter of peace and Justice on the contrary on the contrary so the 00:40:06,790 --> 00:40:06,800 the contrary on the contrary so the 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,790 the contrary on the contrary so the break on this is this in the security 00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:08,800 break on this is this in the security 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,910 break on this is this in the security Council The veto power of America all 00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:11,920 Council The veto power of America all 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,829 Council The veto power of America all right okay so that has prevented the 00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:14,839 right okay so that has prevented the 00:40:14,839 --> 00:40:18,309 right okay so that has prevented the worst of this from from from from taking 00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:18,319 worst of this from from from from taking 00:40:18,319 --> 00:40:20,910 worst of this from from from from taking place in terms of Security Council 00:40:20,910 --> 00:40:20,920 place in terms of Security Council 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,349 place in terms of Security Council resolutions by bad people being thwarted 00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:25,359 resolutions by bad people being thwarted 00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,550 resolutions by bad people being thwarted okay but nevertheless you've got the 00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:27,560 okay but nevertheless you've got the 00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,109 okay but nevertheless you've got the rest of the UN which is regarded as the 00:40:30,109 --> 00:40:30,119 rest of the UN which is regarded as the 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,109 rest of the UN which is regarded as the Arbiter of peace and Justice and and you 00:40:32,109 --> 00:40:32,119 Arbiter of peace and Justice and and you 00:40:32,119 --> 00:40:34,710 Arbiter of peace and Justice and and you know for for for for much of the West 00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:34,720 know for for for for much of the West 00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:36,510 know for for for for much of the West and certainly for the entire Progressive 00:40:36,510 --> 00:40:36,520 and certainly for the entire Progressive 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,870 and certainly for the entire Progressive part of the west but also the 00:40:37,870 --> 00:40:37,880 part of the west but also the 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,109 part of the west but also the non-progressive part of the West 00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:39,119 non-progressive part of the West 00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,030 non-progressive part of the West everyone accepts you know just assumes 00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:41,040 everyone accepts you know just assumes 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,750 everyone accepts you know just assumes that the UN is basically beneficent a 00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:43,760 that the UN is basically beneficent a 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,510 that the UN is basically beneficent a Force for good in the world it might be 00:40:45,510 --> 00:40:45,520 Force for good in the world it might be 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,390 Force for good in the world it might be a little ineffectual but a Force for 00:40:47,390 --> 00:40:47,400 a little ineffectual but a Force for 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:51,790 a little ineffectual but a Force for good no it's you in your book 00:40:51,790 --> 00:40:51,800 good no it's you in your book 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,230 good no it's you in your book londonistan published in 2006 you 00:40:55,230 --> 00:40:55,240 londonistan published in 2006 you 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:59,069 londonistan published in 2006 you describe an allergy to the concept of 00:40:59,069 --> 00:40:59,079 describe an allergy to the concept of 00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,670 describe an allergy to the concept of nationalism or what might be described 00:41:01,670 --> 00:41:01,680 nationalism or what might be described 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,109 nationalism or what might be described as patriotism or nation statism in the 00:41:04,109 --> 00:41:04,119 as patriotism or nation statism in the 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:07,190 as patriotism or nation statism in the sort of West fan sense and so there was 00:41:07,190 --> 00:41:07,200 sort of West fan sense and so there was 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,630 sort of West fan sense and so there was a reach a cultural reach for something 00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:09,640 a reach a cultural reach for something 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,470 a reach a cultural reach for something greater and I think I can't remember the 00:41:11,470 --> 00:41:11,480 greater and I think I can't remember the 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,550 greater and I think I can't remember the exact term that you use is sort of a 00:41:14,550 --> 00:41:14,560 exact term that you use is sort of a 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,190 exact term that you use is sort of a progressive 00:41:16,190 --> 00:41:16,200 progressive 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,910 progressive um a progressive reach away from 00:41:19,910 --> 00:41:19,920 um a progressive reach away from 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,150 um a progressive reach away from anything that felt to parochial 00:41:23,150 --> 00:41:23,160 anything that felt to parochial 00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,550 anything that felt to parochial parochial and it seems to me that that 00:41:25,550 --> 00:41:25,560 parochial and it seems to me that that 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,870 parochial and it seems to me that that underlies why it will be controversial 00:41:27,870 --> 00:41:27,880 underlies why it will be controversial 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,710 underlies why it will be controversial to hear you say abolish the UN is 00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:30,720 to hear you say abolish the UN is 00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:33,150 to hear you say abolish the UN is because people are actually alergic to 00:41:33,150 --> 00:41:33,160 because people are actually alergic to 00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,710 because people are actually alergic to what the alternative I think you're 00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:34,720 what the alternative I think you're 00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:36,470 what the alternative I think you're suggesting implicitly suggesting which 00:41:36,470 --> 00:41:36,480 suggesting implicitly suggesting which 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,870 suggesting implicitly suggesting which is Nation statism yes I know I know 00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:38,880 is Nation statism yes I know I know 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:40,390 is Nation statism yes I know I know people are very allergic to it people 00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:40,400 people are very allergic to it people 00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,270 people are very allergic to it people think that um the nation 00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:43,280 think that um the nation 00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:47,030 think that um the nation state um is the source historically of 00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:47,040 state um is the source historically of 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:50,190 state um is the source historically of War which is true you know wars were 00:41:50,190 --> 00:41:50,200 War which is true you know wars were 00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,990 War which is true you know wars were fought between nations that's undeniably 00:41:52,990 --> 00:41:53,000 fought between nations that's undeniably 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,790 fought between nations that's undeniably true um they also think and you know 00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:55,800 true um they also think and you know 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,470 true um they also think and you know this is this is sort of separate but 00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:57,480 this is this is sort of separate but 00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,750 this is this is sort of separate but related that um the Western nation state 00:42:00,750 --> 00:42:00,760 related that um the Western nation state 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,750 related that um the Western nation state is a repository of all evil in the world 00:42:02,750 --> 00:42:02,760 is a repository of all evil in the world 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,230 is a repository of all evil in the world so the Western nation state is is is is 00:42:05,230 --> 00:42:05,240 so the Western nation state is is is is 00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:07,790 so the Western nation state is is is is dominated by by by white people who are 00:42:07,790 --> 00:42:07,800 dominated by by by white people who are 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,190 dominated by by by white people who are intrinsically racist and oppressive and 00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:10,200 intrinsically racist and oppressive and 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,309 intrinsically racist and oppressive and colonialist and so the Western nation 00:42:12,309 --> 00:42:12,319 colonialist and so the Western nation 00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:14,710 colonialist and so the Western nation state is the is is is is the is the 00:42:14,710 --> 00:42:14,720 state is the is is is is the is the 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:17,109 state is the is is is is the is the Expositor of all these terrible things 00:42:17,109 --> 00:42:17,119 Expositor of all these terrible things 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:20,349 Expositor of all these terrible things and therefore in order to to abolish 00:42:20,349 --> 00:42:20,359 and therefore in order to to abolish 00:42:20,359 --> 00:42:22,309 and therefore in order to to abolish terrible things like Prejudice and 00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:22,319 terrible things like Prejudice and 00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:26,069 terrible things like Prejudice and xenophobia and and and wallering and 00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:26,079 xenophobia and and and wallering and 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:27,950 xenophobia and and and wallering and violence 00:42:27,950 --> 00:42:27,960 violence 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,069 violence between peoples you abolish the N you 00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:30,079 between peoples you abolish the N you 00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:31,829 between peoples you abolish the N you you not you don't abolish the nation 00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:31,839 you not you don't abolish the nation 00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:33,990 you not you don't abolish the nation state but you supersede the nation state 00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:34,000 state but you supersede the nation state 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,190 state but you supersede the nation state by a kind of carapace of 00:42:37,190 --> 00:42:37,200 by a kind of carapace of 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,470 by a kind of carapace of internationalism exactly and that is 00:42:39,470 --> 00:42:39,480 internationalism exactly and that is 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,270 internationalism exactly and that is that is that is that that has been the 00:42:41,270 --> 00:42:41,280 that is that is that that has been the 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:43,589 that is that is that that has been the kind of ond that's been the sort of 00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:43,599 kind of ond that's been the sort of 00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,549 kind of ond that's been the sort of basic premise that the West has has had 00:42:46,549 --> 00:42:46,559 basic premise that the West has has had 00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:48,430 basic premise that the West has has had for a long time 00:42:48,430 --> 00:42:48,440 for a long time 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,950 for a long time now so what am I saying so people say oh 00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:51,960 now so what am I saying so people say oh 00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,990 now so what am I saying so people say oh so you want to return to the nation 00:42:53,990 --> 00:42:54,000 so you want to return to the nation 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,430 so you want to return to the nation state you want to return to war well I 00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:56,440 state you want to return to war well I 00:42:56,440 --> 00:43:00,270 state you want to return to war well I want to return to the ability for a 00:43:00,270 --> 00:43:00,280 want to return to the ability for a 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,309 want to return to the ability for a people to have self-determination and 00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:02,319 people to have self-determination and 00:43:02,319 --> 00:43:05,390 people to have self-determination and express that self-determination of its 00:43:05,390 --> 00:43:05,400 express that self-determination of its 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,470 express that self-determination of its own culture through its own laws that it 00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:08,480 own culture through its own laws that it 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,510 own culture through its own laws that it elects people to to to 00:43:12,510 --> 00:43:12,520 elects people to to to 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,710 elects people to to to pass and 00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:15,720 pass and 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:20,349 pass and uh if that means that sometimes they are 00:43:20,349 --> 00:43:20,359 uh if that means that sometimes they are 00:43:20,359 --> 00:43:24,430 uh if that means that sometimes they are going to come up against um aggressive 00:43:24,430 --> 00:43:24,440 going to come up against um aggressive 00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,549 going to come up against um aggressive other other states aggressing against 00:43:26,549 --> 00:43:26,559 other other states aggressing against 00:43:26,559 --> 00:43:28,750 other other states aggressing against them well then they have to fight that 00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:28,760 them well then they have to fight that 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,870 them well then they have to fight that aggression in whatever way they they 00:43:30,870 --> 00:43:30,880 aggression in whatever way they they 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,950 aggression in whatever way they they choose not necessarily by military means 00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:32,960 choose not necessarily by military means 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,630 choose not necessarily by military means in the last analysis in in my view 00:43:35,630 --> 00:43:35,640 in the last analysis in in my view 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,390 in the last analysis in in my view unless you actually make the other 00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:38,400 unless you actually make the other 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,390 unless you actually make the other person the other the other the unless 00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:40,400 person the other the other the unless 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,230 person the other the other the unless you make the aggressor believe that you 00:43:42,230 --> 00:43:42,240 you make the aggressor believe that you 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:44,870 you make the aggressor believe that you would in The Last Resort use military 00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:44,880 would in The Last Resort use military 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,109 would in The Last Resort use military force then you can't really get anywhere 00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:47,119 force then you can't really get anywhere 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:48,510 force then you can't really get anywhere but nevertheless there are many things 00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:48,520 but nevertheless there are many things 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:50,549 but nevertheless there are many things you can do before you get to military 00:43:50,549 --> 00:43:50,559 you can do before you get to military 00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,549 you can do before you get to military force but basically you defend your 00:43:52,549 --> 00:43:52,559 force but basically you defend your 00:43:52,559 --> 00:43:55,150 force but basically you defend your nation if you can't defend your nation 00:43:55,150 --> 00:43:55,160 nation if you can't defend your nation 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:56,750 nation if you can't defend your nation you cannot defend the culture that's in 00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:56,760 you cannot defend the culture that's in 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,589 you cannot defend the culture that's in that ation if you are a liberal Society 00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:59,599 that ation if you are a liberal Society 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:01,589 that ation if you are a liberal Society based on liberal democracy liberal 00:44:01,589 --> 00:44:01,599 based on liberal democracy liberal 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,750 based on liberal democracy liberal Democratic principles which the West is 00:44:04,750 --> 00:44:04,760 Democratic principles which the West is 00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,549 Democratic principles which the West is you cannot defend those principles in 00:44:07,549 --> 00:44:07,559 you cannot defend those principles in 00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:10,069 you cannot defend those principles in your nation if you don't have a nation 00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:10,079 your nation if you don't have a nation 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:11,589 your nation if you don't have a nation you can't defend them by through 00:44:11,589 --> 00:44:11,599 you can't defend them by through 00:44:11,599 --> 00:44:13,069 you can't defend them by through universalism there is there is no 00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:13,079 universalism there is there is no 00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:15,710 universalism there is there is no Universal agreement on these things you 00:44:15,710 --> 00:44:15,720 Universal agreement on these things you 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,270 Universal agreement on these things you defend them in your territory which you 00:44:18,270 --> 00:44:18,280 defend them in your territory which you 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,390 defend them in your territory which you define through borders which you police 00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:21,400 define through borders which you police 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,670 define through borders which you police governed by laws which you pass through 00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:23,680 governed by laws which you pass through 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,670 governed by laws which you pass through your parliaments that is the whole basis 00:44:26,670 --> 00:44:26,680 your parliaments that is the whole basis 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,470 your parliaments that is the whole basis of of of national 00:44:29,470 --> 00:44:29,480 of of of national 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,470 of of of national self-determination um so the people who 00:44:31,470 --> 00:44:31,480 self-determination um so the people who 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,190 self-determination um so the people who say oh if you want a nation back then if 00:44:34,190 --> 00:44:34,200 say oh if you want a nation back then if 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:35,870 say oh if you want a nation back then if you want the Primacy of the nation back 00:44:35,870 --> 00:44:35,880 you want the Primacy of the nation back 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,230 you want the Primacy of the nation back then you want to make war again well no 00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:38,240 then you want to make war again well no 00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,069 then you want to make war again well no I want the ability of people to live 00:44:40,069 --> 00:44:40,079 I want the ability of people to live 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:41,390 I want the ability of people to live freely in accordance with their own 00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:41,400 freely in accordance with their own 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,950 freely in accordance with their own culture that's why I what I want if they 00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:43,960 culture that's why I what I want if they 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,069 culture that's why I what I want if they have to defend that against people who 00:44:46,069 --> 00:44:46,079 have to defend that against people who 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,190 have to defend that against people who are aggressing against that then they 00:44:48,190 --> 00:44:48,200 are aggressing against that then they 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,829 are aggressing against that then they have to take measures condign measures 00:44:50,829 --> 00:44:50,839 have to take measures condign measures 00:44:50,839 --> 00:44:54,870 have to take measures condign measures economic or military to defend it uh you 00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:54,880 economic or military to defend it uh you 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,670 economic or military to defend it uh you don't get anywhere by saying you don't 00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:57,680 don't get anywhere by saying you don't 00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:59,670 don't get anywhere by saying you don't make a better world by saying well let's 00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:59,680 make a better world by saying well let's 00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,750 make a better world by saying well let's abolish the nation because then you have 00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:02,760 abolish the nation because then you have 00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,030 abolish the nation because then you have not John Lennon's imagine you have a war 00:45:06,030 --> 00:45:06,040 not John Lennon's imagine you have a war 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,510 not John Lennon's imagine you have a war of all against all in which the strong 00:45:08,510 --> 00:45:08,520 of all against all in which the strong 00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,710 of all against all in which the strong win over the weak which is kind of what 00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:11,720 win over the weak which is kind of what 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:15,030 win over the weak which is kind of what we're seeing we're seeing a Europe 00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:15,040 we're seeing we're seeing a Europe 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,829 we're seeing we're seeing a Europe which it it it is it subscribes to 00:45:18,829 --> 00:45:18,839 which it it it is it subscribes to 00:45:18,839 --> 00:45:20,630 which it it it is it subscribes to Universalist principles generally 00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:20,640 Universalist principles generally 00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,790 Universalist principles generally speaking and what do we see we see 00:45:23,790 --> 00:45:23,800 speaking and what do we see we see 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,630 speaking and what do we see we see Putin's Russia we see uh X's 00:45:27,630 --> 00:45:27,640 Putin's Russia we see uh X's 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,069 Putin's Russia we see uh X's China and they they can't cope with it 00:45:32,069 --> 00:45:32,079 China and they they can't cope with it 00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:33,790 China and they they can't cope with it they don't do War anymore they only do 00:45:33,790 --> 00:45:33,800 they don't do War anymore they only do 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:36,549 they don't do War anymore they only do law they do negotiation and compromise 00:45:36,549 --> 00:45:36,559 law they do negotiation and compromise 00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:39,069 law they do negotiation and compromise and they got people who like are 00:45:39,069 --> 00:45:39,079 and they got people who like are 00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:43,069 and they got people who like are saying we can't believe how open this is 00:45:43,069 --> 00:45:43,079 saying we can't believe how open this is 00:45:43,079 --> 00:45:46,549 saying we can't believe how open this is for us and Iran is is saying you know 00:45:46,549 --> 00:45:46,559 for us and Iran is is saying you know 00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:48,790 for us and Iran is is saying you know these people are crazy but I mean it's 00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:48,800 these people are crazy but I mean it's 00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,510 these people are crazy but I mean it's the the opportunities for us are now 00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:50,520 the the opportunities for us are now 00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,829 the the opportunities for us are now Legion and that's why partly why all 00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:53,839 Legion and that's why partly why all 00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:57,630 Legion and that's why partly why all these mobs on the Streets of London and 00:45:57,630 --> 00:45:57,640 these mobs on the Streets of London and 00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,870 these mobs on the Streets of London and other Western cities since October 00:46:00,870 --> 00:46:00,880 other Western cities since October 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,670 other Western cities since October 7 they sense it we we we've got them 00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:04,680 7 they sense it we we we've got them 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:06,710 7 they sense it we we we've got them that's that's what's behind these these 00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:06,720 that's that's what's behind these these 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:08,430 that's that's what's behind these these these demonstrations we've got them we 00:46:08,430 --> 00:46:08,440 these demonstrations we've got them we 00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,790 these demonstrations we've got them we can see how weak they are America is 00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:10,800 can see how weak they are America is 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:12,950 can see how weak they are America is never going to do War again under Biden 00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:12,960 never going to do War again under Biden 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,190 never going to do War again under Biden never Iran is attacking has attacked 00:46:16,190 --> 00:46:16,200 never Iran is attacking has attacked 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,030 never Iran is attacking has attacked dozens and dozens of times since October 00:46:19,030 --> 00:46:19,040 dozens and dozens of times since October 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:22,750 dozens and dozens of times since October 7 American interests America has fired 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:22,760 7 American interests America has fired 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,750 7 American interests America has fired back into empty 00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:25,760 back into empty 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,990 back into empty warehouses it has not taken the action 00:46:28,990 --> 00:46:29,000 warehouses it has not taken the action 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:32,150 warehouses it has not taken the action it needs to defend itself it will do 00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:32,160 it needs to defend itself it will do 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,510 it needs to defend itself it will do nothing to upset its I mean this is 00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:35,520 nothing to upset its I mean this is 00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,069 nothing to upset its I mean this is mysterious to many people but it wishes 00:46:38,069 --> 00:46:38,079 mysterious to many people but it wishes 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:41,069 mysterious to many people but it wishes to protect and defend its relationship 00:46:41,069 --> 00:46:41,079 to protect and defend its relationship 00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:43,829 to protect and defend its relationship with Iran which it sees as playing an 00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:43,839 with Iran which it sees as playing an 00:46:43,839 --> 00:46:46,109 with Iran which it sees as playing an important role in an emerging Middle 00:46:46,109 --> 00:46:46,119 important role in an emerging Middle 00:46:46,119 --> 00:46:49,150 important role in an emerging Middle East and it will sacrifice Israel and 00:46:49,150 --> 00:46:49,160 East and it will sacrifice Israel and 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,589 East and it will sacrifice Israel and indeed its own interests to that end I 00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:51,599 indeed its own interests to that end I 00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,190 indeed its own interests to that end I mean this is like crazy stuff I don't 00:46:54,190 --> 00:46:54,200 mean this is like crazy stuff I don't 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,030 mean this is like crazy stuff I don't I'm not sure I I fully follow on that 00:46:56,030 --> 00:46:56,040 I'm not sure I I fully follow on that 00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,549 I'm not sure I I fully follow on that neither do I 00:46:57,549 --> 00:46:57,559 neither do I 00:46:57,559 --> 00:46:59,710 neither do I because because America have supported 00:46:59,710 --> 00:46:59,720 because because America have supported 00:46:59,720 --> 00:47:02,190 because because America have supported Israel it's precisely why Biden's being 00:47:02,190 --> 00:47:02,200 Israel it's precisely why Biden's being 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,910 Israel it's precisely why Biden's being called genocide Joe in and losing far 00:47:04,910 --> 00:47:04,920 called genocide Joe in and losing far 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,109 called genocide Joe in and losing far left support in in the states no they 00:47:07,109 --> 00:47:07,119 left support in in the states no they 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,589 left support in in the states no they haven't well how how how have they 00:47:09,589 --> 00:47:09,599 haven't well how how how have they 00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,589 haven't well how how how have they not everything they've done is Janus 00:47:12,589 --> 00:47:12,599 not everything they've done is Janus 00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,270 not everything they've done is Janus faced it is entirely 00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:15,280 faced it is entirely 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,470 faced it is entirely ambiguous um when Biden yes it's true on 00:47:19,470 --> 00:47:19,480 ambiguous um when Biden yes it's true on 00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:23,030 ambiguous um when Biden yes it's true on October 7 Biden flew to Israel he said 00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:23,040 October 7 Biden flew to Israel he said 00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,190 October 7 Biden flew to Israel he said we stand by you and he dispatched I 00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:25,200 we stand by you and he dispatched I 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,870 we stand by you and he dispatched I think it was two uh aircraft carriers to 00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:27,880 think it was two uh aircraft carriers to 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:28,630 think it was two uh aircraft carriers to the 00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:28,640 the 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,150 the region and he said 00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:32,160 region and he said 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:37,710 region and he said famously apparently to Iran or Hezbollah 00:47:37,710 --> 00:47:37,720 famously apparently to Iran or Hezbollah 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,109 famously apparently to Iran or Hezbollah or anybody who was threatening Israel 00:47:40,109 --> 00:47:40,119 or anybody who was threatening Israel 00:47:40,119 --> 00:47:42,589 or anybody who was threatening Israel don't but he said don't to 00:47:42,589 --> 00:47:42,599 don't but he said don't to 00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:46,349 don't but he said don't to Israel the don't was to Israel the don't 00:47:46,349 --> 00:47:46,359 Israel the don't was to Israel the don't 00:47:46,359 --> 00:47:50,190 Israel the don't was to Israel the don't meant we have your back don't do 00:47:50,190 --> 00:47:50,200 meant we have your back don't do 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,470 meant we have your back don't do anything to upset our relationship with 00:47:52,470 --> 00:47:52,480 anything to upset our relationship with 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,430 anything to upset our relationship with Iran you don't have any need to attack 00:47:56,430 --> 00:47:56,440 Iran you don't have any need to attack 00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:57,430 Iran you don't have any need to attack Iran 00:47:57,430 --> 00:47:57,440 Iran 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,430 Iran you have no need to attack Iran Iran's 00:48:00,430 --> 00:48:00,440 you have no need to attack Iran Iran's 00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,390 you have no need to attack Iran Iran's proxy Army Hezbollah in 00:48:03,390 --> 00:48:03,400 proxy Army Hezbollah in 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,549 proxy Army Hezbollah in Lebanon heah in Lebanon have 00:48:06,549 --> 00:48:06,559 Lebanon heah in Lebanon have 00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:10,109 Lebanon heah in Lebanon have 150,000 missiles cited among the 00:48:10,109 --> 00:48:10,119 150,000 missiles cited among the 00:48:10,119 --> 00:48:12,829 150,000 missiles cited among the civilian population pointing at the 00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:12,839 civilian population pointing at the 00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:16,470 civilian population pointing at the whole of Israel if Hezbollah really 00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:16,480 whole of Israel if Hezbollah really 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,190 whole of Israel if Hezbollah really unleash Israel will be unable to cope 00:48:20,190 --> 00:48:20,200 unleash Israel will be unable to cope 00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,589 unleash Israel will be unable to cope with the bombardment because it's a 00:48:24,589 --> 00:48:24,599 with the bombardment because it's a 00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:28,790 with the bombardment because it's a matter of the number of missiles and 00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:28,800 matter of the number of missiles and 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,710 matter of the number of missiles and their range and their precision and 00:48:31,710 --> 00:48:31,720 their range and their precision and 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:35,030 their range and their precision and their lethality makes what Hamas had 00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:35,040 their lethality makes what Hamas had 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:37,870 their lethality makes what Hamas had look 00:48:37,870 --> 00:48:37,880 look 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:41,910 look amateur and when October 7 happened 00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:41,920 amateur and when October 7 happened 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,670 amateur and when October 7 happened Israel's first 00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:43,680 Israel's first 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,190 Israel's first reaction after it 00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:46,200 reaction after it 00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,390 reaction after it had got hold of what was going on in 00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:48,400 had got hold of what was going on in 00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,549 had got hold of what was going on in southern Israel which took several 00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:50,559 southern Israel which took several 00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:54,510 southern Israel which took several days to stop the Carnage 00:48:54,510 --> 00:48:54,520 days to stop the Carnage 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,030 days to stop the Carnage there immediately theb started 00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:57,040 there immediately theb started 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,349 there immediately theb started unleashing across the border people in 00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:59,359 unleashing across the border people in 00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,069 unleashing across the border people in this country in Britain have no idea 00:49:01,069 --> 00:49:01,079 this country in Britain have no idea 00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:02,630 this country in Britain have no idea what's going on because nobody ever 00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:02,640 what's going on because nobody ever 00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:05,430 what's going on because nobody ever tells them here the media are 00:49:05,430 --> 00:49:05,440 tells them here the media are 00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,829 tells them here the media are silent there is a constant bombardment 00:49:08,829 --> 00:49:08,839 silent there is a constant bombardment 00:49:08,839 --> 00:49:11,309 silent there is a constant bombardment by the Hezbollah in southern Lebanon 00:49:11,309 --> 00:49:11,319 by the Hezbollah in southern Lebanon 00:49:11,319 --> 00:49:13,789 by the Hezbollah in southern Lebanon against the Border towns of Northern 00:49:13,789 --> 00:49:13,799 against the Border towns of Northern 00:49:13,799 --> 00:49:16,309 against the Border towns of Northern Israel and in the last few days getting 00:49:16,309 --> 00:49:16,319 Israel and in the last few days getting 00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:18,750 Israel and in the last few days getting more and more south theah are 00:49:18,750 --> 00:49:18,760 more and more south theah are 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,910 more and more south theah are calibrating it very carefully to provoke 00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:21,920 calibrating it very carefully to provoke 00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,630 calibrating it very carefully to provoke Israel only so 00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:23,640 Israel only so 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,710 Israel only so far uh because the Hezbollah do not want 00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:26,720 far uh because the Hezbollah do not want 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,470 far uh because the Hezbollah do not want want Israel to destroy southern Lebanon 00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:28,480 want Israel to destroy southern Lebanon 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,910 want Israel to destroy southern Lebanon because theah unlike the Hamas really 00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:30,920 because theah unlike the Hamas really 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,030 because theah unlike the Hamas really are dependent on the population to 00:49:33,030 --> 00:49:33,040 are dependent on the population to 00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,349 are dependent on the population to support them and they don't want to to 00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:35,359 support them and they don't want to to 00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:39,109 support them and they don't want to to upset that esbah is Iran's proxy Army 00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:39,119 upset that esbah is Iran's proxy Army 00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,150 upset that esbah is Iran's proxy Army but they also have an 00:49:41,150 --> 00:49:41,160 but they also have an 00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,230 but they also have an independent uh status so they're a bit 00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:44,240 independent uh status so they're a bit 00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:45,349 independent uh status so they're a bit different from the 00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:45,359 different from the 00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:49,030 different from the Hamas which are Iran's proxy Army in 00:49:49,030 --> 00:49:49,040 Hamas which are Iran's proxy Army in 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,470 Hamas which are Iran's proxy Army in Gaza but the fact is that there are 00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:52,480 Gaza but the fact is that there are 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,990 Gaza but the fact is that there are hundreds of thousands of Israelis 00:49:54,990 --> 00:49:55,000 hundreds of thousands of Israelis 00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,309 hundreds of thousands of Israelis families both in the South and in the 00:49:57,309 --> 00:49:57,319 families both in the South and in the 00:49:57,319 --> 00:50:00,150 families both in the South and in the north who are unable have been unable to 00:50:00,150 --> 00:50:00,160 north who are unable have been unable to 00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,510 north who are unable have been unable to be in their homes for the last eight 00:50:02,510 --> 00:50:02,520 be in their homes for the last eight 00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,710 be in their homes for the last eight months they are refugees inside the 00:50:04,710 --> 00:50:04,720 months they are refugees inside the 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,150 months they are refugees inside the country and that's because they are 00:50:07,150 --> 00:50:07,160 country and that's because they are 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,270 country and that's because they are continuously being shelled and bombed by 00:50:10,270 --> 00:50:10,280 continuously being shelled and bombed by 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,789 continuously being shelled and bombed by theah in Lebanon Israel's in initial 00:50:13,789 --> 00:50:13,799 theah in Lebanon Israel's in initial 00:50:13,799 --> 00:50:15,549 theah in Lebanon Israel's in initial reaction once they got a handle on what 00:50:15,549 --> 00:50:15,559 reaction once they got a handle on what 00:50:15,559 --> 00:50:17,309 reaction once they got a handle on what was going on in southern Israel once 00:50:17,309 --> 00:50:17,319 was going on in southern Israel once 00:50:17,319 --> 00:50:18,950 was going on in southern Israel once they managed to stop the Carnage by 00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:18,960 they managed to stop the Carnage by 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:20,990 they managed to stop the Carnage by Hamas in southern 00:50:20,990 --> 00:50:21,000 Hamas in southern 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,549 Hamas in southern Israel uh their their first reaction 00:50:23,549 --> 00:50:23,559 Israel uh their their first reaction 00:50:23,559 --> 00:50:25,630 Israel uh their their first reaction their their first instinct was to 00:50:25,630 --> 00:50:25,640 their their first instinct was to 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:29,109 their their first instinct was to preempt Hezbollah by going to war 00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:29,119 preempt Hezbollah by going to war 00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:30,630 preempt Hezbollah by going to war against Hezbollah because that's the 00:50:30,630 --> 00:50:30,640 against Hezbollah because that's the 00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,390 against Hezbollah because that's the great fear because that can actually 00:50:33,390 --> 00:50:33,400 great fear because that can actually 00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,230 great fear because that can actually murder a very large number of 00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:36,240 murder a very large number of 00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:39,710 murder a very large number of Israelis and America stopped it and 00:50:39,710 --> 00:50:39,720 Israelis and America stopped it and 00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:43,150 Israelis and America stopped it and America has basically ever since while 00:50:43,150 --> 00:50:43,160 America has basically ever since while 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,270 America has basically ever since while hand on heart we support Israel in its 00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:47,280 hand on heart we support Israel in its 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,309 hand on heart we support Israel in its attempt to defeat the Hamas they must 00:50:49,309 --> 00:50:49,319 attempt to defeat the Hamas they must 00:50:49,319 --> 00:50:50,670 attempt to defeat the Hamas they must defeat the Hamas they must root the 00:50:50,670 --> 00:50:50,680 defeat the Hamas they must root the 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,349 defeat the Hamas they must root the Hamas out they must kill sinoa they must 00:50:53,349 --> 00:50:53,359 Hamas out they must kill sinoa they must 00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:55,349 Hamas out they must kill sinoa they must release the hostages it's done 00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:55,359 release the hostages it's done 00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:58,349 release the hostages it's done everything it can to stop that it has 00:50:58,349 --> 00:50:58,359 everything it can to stop that it has 00:50:58,359 --> 00:51:02,549 everything it can to stop that it has forced Israel to slow down at a great 00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:02,559 forced Israel to slow down at a great 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:04,069 forced Israel to slow down at a great expense 00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:04,079 expense 00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,589 expense of Israeli lives young men and women who 00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:07,599 of Israeli lives young men and women who 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:08,670 of Israeli lives young men and women who are in 00:51:08,670 --> 00:51:08,680 are in 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,870 are in combat they are dying because they are 00:51:11,870 --> 00:51:11,880 combat they are dying because they are 00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,829 combat they are dying because they are forced not to fight the war in the way 00:51:14,829 --> 00:51:14,839 forced not to fight the war in the way 00:51:14,839 --> 00:51:17,270 forced not to fight the war in the way that benefits them they've been forced 00:51:17,270 --> 00:51:17,280 that benefits them they've been forced 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,150 that benefits them they've been forced all the time to 00:51:19,150 --> 00:51:19,160 all the time to 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,630 all the time to prioritize America's priorities which 00:51:21,630 --> 00:51:21,640 prioritize America's priorities which 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:26,349 prioritize America's priorities which are civilian life in Gaza you must bring 00:51:26,349 --> 00:51:26,359 are civilian life in Gaza you must bring 00:51:26,359 --> 00:51:28,990 are civilian life in Gaza you must bring in humanitarian Aid ignoring the fact 00:51:28,990 --> 00:51:29,000 in humanitarian Aid ignoring the fact 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,670 in humanitarian Aid ignoring the fact that most of that Aid has gone to the 00:51:31,670 --> 00:51:31,680 that most of that Aid has gone to the 00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:32,910 that most of that Aid has gone to the Hamas 00:51:32,910 --> 00:51:32,920 Hamas 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,109 Hamas itself um and you must not hit the 00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:37,119 itself um and you must not hit the 00:51:37,119 --> 00:51:40,349 itself um and you must not hit the Hezbollah more than kind of tit fatat 00:51:40,349 --> 00:51:40,359 Hezbollah more than kind of tit fatat 00:51:40,359 --> 00:51:44,309 Hezbollah more than kind of tit fatat retaliation and you must not attack Iran 00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:44,319 retaliation and you must not attack Iran 00:51:44,319 --> 00:51:48,309 retaliation and you must not attack Iran and so on and so forth now I mean 00:51:48,309 --> 00:51:48,319 and so on and so forth now I mean 00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:50,309 and so on and so forth now I mean they've been micromanaging the war 00:51:50,309 --> 00:51:50,319 they've been micromanaging the war 00:51:50,319 --> 00:51:51,990 they've been micromanaging the war they've been sending over Anthony 00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:52,000 they've been sending over Anthony 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:53,589 they've been sending over Anthony blinkin the Secretary of State and 00:51:53,589 --> 00:51:53,599 blinkin the Secretary of State and 00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:55,990 blinkin the Secretary of State and people from the NSC and all kinds of 00:51:55,990 --> 00:51:56,000 people from the NSC and all kinds of 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,910 people from the NSC and all kinds of people who are basically dictating to 00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:58,920 people who are basically dictating to 00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,470 people who are basically dictating to Israel how to win this war how to how to 00:52:01,470 --> 00:52:01,480 Israel how to win this war how to how to 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,870 Israel how to win this war how to how to wage this war and it seems to many 00:52:03,870 --> 00:52:03,880 wage this war and it seems to many 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,829 wage this war and it seems to many Israelis and it certainly seems to me 00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:06,839 Israelis and it certainly seems to me 00:52:06,839 --> 00:52:09,990 Israelis and it certainly seems to me that while the Biden Administration 00:52:09,990 --> 00:52:10,000 that while the Biden Administration 00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,990 that while the Biden Administration certainly does not wish to have 00:52:12,990 --> 00:52:13,000 certainly does not wish to have 00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:14,910 certainly does not wish to have thousands and thousands tens of 00:52:14,910 --> 00:52:14,920 thousands and thousands tens of 00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,270 thousands and thousands tens of thousands of Israelis murdered on its 00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:17,280 thousands of Israelis murdered on its 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,390 thousands of Israelis murdered on its watch he does not wish to have it said 00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:20,400 watch he does not wish to have it said 00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:23,710 watch he does not wish to have it said that America facilitated a genocide so 00:52:23,710 --> 00:52:23,720 that America facilitated a genocide so 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:25,990 that America facilitated a genocide so it will prevent that from happening but 00:52:25,990 --> 00:52:26,000 it will prevent that from happening but 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:27,829 it will prevent that from happening but it will also prevent Israel doing what 00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:27,839 it will also prevent Israel doing what 00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:30,670 it will also prevent Israel doing what it needs to do because for 00:52:30,670 --> 00:52:30,680 it needs to do because for 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,349 it needs to do because for America in the architecture that it's 00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:33,359 America in the architecture that it's 00:52:33,359 --> 00:52:36,670 America in the architecture that it's trying to that it sees in the Middle 00:52:36,670 --> 00:52:36,680 trying to that it sees in the Middle 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,470 trying to that it sees in the Middle East Iran plays a very important role 00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:40,480 East Iran plays a very important role 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,470 East Iran plays a very important role and so does the Hamas that's under the 00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:42,480 and so does the Hamas that's under the 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,670 and so does the Hamas that's under the current um Administration it's very 00:52:44,670 --> 00:52:44,680 current um Administration it's very 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,710 current um Administration it's very different story under 00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:46,720 different story under 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:50,710 different story under Trump but that's a whole other uh K of 00:52:50,710 --> 00:52:50,720 Trump but that's a whole other uh K of 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:54,230 Trump but that's a whole other uh K of fish um a couple of days ago the 00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:54,240 fish um a couple of days ago the 00:52:54,240 --> 00:52:57,430 fish um a couple of days ago the president of Iran Ibrahim Ry was killed 00:52:57,430 --> 00:52:57,440 president of Iran Ibrahim Ry was killed 00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,589 president of Iran Ibrahim Ry was killed in a helicopter accident do you what do 00:53:00,589 --> 00:53:00,599 in a helicopter accident do you what do 00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:03,190 in a helicopter accident do you what do you think that does to the conflict 00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:03,200 you think that does to the conflict 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,390 you think that does to the conflict what's your take on that I I can't tell 00:53:05,390 --> 00:53:05,400 what's your take on that I I can't tell 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,190 what's your take on that I I can't tell you I'm I'm not I'm not that sort of 00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:07,200 you I'm I'm not I'm not that sort of 00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:09,789 you I'm I'm not I'm not that sort of expert I mean uh it seems to have been 00:53:09,789 --> 00:53:09,799 expert I mean uh it seems to have been 00:53:09,799 --> 00:53:13,870 expert I mean uh it seems to have been an accident um it will affect uh how it 00:53:13,870 --> 00:53:13,880 an accident um it will affect uh how it 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,510 an accident um it will affect uh how it will affect 00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:15,520 will affect 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,510 will affect um uh 00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:17,520 um uh 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:24,190 um uh Iran in the the Iranian uh um 00:53:24,190 --> 00:53:24,200 Iran in the the Iranian uh um 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,230 Iran in the the Iranian uh um um position 00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:27,240 um position 00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:30,030 um position I can't tell you I'm not I I just don't 00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:30,040 I can't tell you I'm not I I just don't 00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,630 I can't tell you I'm not I I just don't know what but what it what it might 00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:32,640 know what but what it what it might 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,150 know what but what it what it might do 00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:34,160 do 00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:36,950 do is be and this is what the Iranians are 00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:36,960 is be and this is what the Iranians are 00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,430 is be and this is what the Iranians are really concerned the regime is really 00:53:38,430 --> 00:53:38,440 really concerned the regime is really 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:41,069 really concerned the regime is really concerned about it was very interesting 00:53:41,069 --> 00:53:41,079 concerned about it was very interesting 00:53:41,079 --> 00:53:44,710 concerned about it was very interesting when news came through that he had been 00:53:44,710 --> 00:53:44,720 when news came through that he had been 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:48,950 when news came through that he had been killed there were huge Celebrations by 00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:48,960 killed there were huge Celebrations by 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:53,030 killed there were huge Celebrations by the Iranians the Iranian people 00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:53,040 the Iranians the Iranian people 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,150 the Iranians the Iranian people fireworks and the Iranian regime 00:53:57,150 --> 00:53:57,160 fireworks and the Iranian regime 00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,349 fireworks and the Iranian regime uh seemed to be amassing its own its own 00:54:01,349 --> 00:54:01,359 uh seemed to be amassing its own its own 00:54:01,359 --> 00:54:04,950 uh seemed to be amassing its own its own internal forces in order to preempt any 00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:04,960 internal forces in order to preempt any 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,789 internal forces in order to preempt any kind of demonstrations because this is a 00:54:07,789 --> 00:54:07,799 kind of demonstrations because this is a 00:54:07,799 --> 00:54:11,069 kind of demonstrations because this is a point of danger for the regime um the 00:54:11,069 --> 00:54:11,079 point of danger for the regime um the 00:54:11,079 --> 00:54:13,789 point of danger for the regime um the death of somebody who is regarded well 00:54:13,789 --> 00:54:13,799 death of somebody who is regarded well 00:54:13,799 --> 00:54:15,750 death of somebody who is regarded well his nickname was the Butcher of 00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:15,760 his nickname was the Butcher of 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,150 his nickname was the Butcher of Teran the death of somebody who has 00:54:19,150 --> 00:54:19,160 Teran the death of somebody who has 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,190 Teran the death of somebody who has oppressed has presided over the 00:54:22,190 --> 00:54:22,200 oppressed has presided over the 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:25,789 oppressed has presided over the oppression torture incarceration and 00:54:25,789 --> 00:54:25,799 oppression torture incarceration and 00:54:25,799 --> 00:54:27,829 oppression torture incarceration and killing of so many 00:54:27,829 --> 00:54:27,839 killing of so many 00:54:27,839 --> 00:54:33,349 killing of so many Iranians um uh could be the spur for a a 00:54:33,349 --> 00:54:33,359 Iranians um uh could be the spur for a a 00:54:33,359 --> 00:54:35,950 Iranians um uh could be the spur for a a much greater Push by the people who can 00:54:35,950 --> 00:54:35,960 much greater Push by the people who can 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,789 much greater Push by the people who can who will say he's dead now we've got to 00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:38,799 who will say he's dead now we've got to 00:54:38,799 --> 00:54:40,910 who will say he's dead now we've got to get the regime out and this is a point 00:54:40,910 --> 00:54:40,920 get the regime out and this is a point 00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,470 get the regime out and this is a point of danger for the regime and it's a 00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:42,480 of danger for the regime and it's a 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,109 of danger for the regime and it's a point of great um optimism for everybody 00:54:46,109 --> 00:54:46,119 point of great um optimism for everybody 00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:48,589 point of great um optimism for everybody else in the world who is decent who 00:54:48,589 --> 00:54:48,599 else in the world who is decent who 00:54:48,599 --> 00:54:50,870 else in the world who is decent who wishes the regime to fall so I don't 00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:50,880 wishes the regime to fall so I don't 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,470 wishes the regime to fall so I don't know how it's going to work out I mean I 00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:52,480 know how it's going to work out I mean I 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,109 know how it's going to work out I mean I I have I have absolutely no idea I'm 00:54:54,109 --> 00:54:54,119 I have I have absolutely no idea I'm 00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:56,789 I have I have absolutely no idea I'm afraid I just beyond my pay grade so 00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:56,799 afraid I just beyond my pay grade so 00:54:56,799 --> 00:54:59,030 afraid I just beyond my pay grade so slight on the same sort of topic but 00:54:59,030 --> 00:54:59,040 slight on the same sort of topic but 00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:00,990 slight on the same sort of topic but slight side step but seeing as you live 00:55:00,990 --> 00:55:01,000 slight side step but seeing as you live 00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,910 slight side step but seeing as you live in Jerusalem I'm interested from an for 00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:02,920 in Jerusalem I'm interested from an for 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:05,030 in Jerusalem I'm interested from an for an Israeli perspective on this this is 00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:05,040 an Israeli perspective on this this is 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:06,789 an Israeli perspective on this this is something I've asked a couple of guests 00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:06,799 something I've asked a couple of guests 00:55:06,799 --> 00:55:09,309 something I've asked a couple of guests before which is from Israel's point of 00:55:09,309 --> 00:55:09,319 before which is from Israel's point of 00:55:09,319 --> 00:55:10,670 before which is from Israel's point of view in this 00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:10,680 view in this 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:14,990 view in this war the current means of trying also as 00:55:14,990 --> 00:55:15,000 war the current means of trying also as 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,069 war the current means of trying also as we speak the there's the movement 00:55:17,069 --> 00:55:17,079 we speak the there's the movement 00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:19,910 we speak the there's the movement towards Rafa by Israeli 00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:19,920 towards Rafa by Israeli 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,349 towards Rafa by Israeli forces is it seems to me that the the 00:55:23,349 --> 00:55:23,359 forces is it seems to me that the the 00:55:23,359 --> 00:55:25,589 forces is it seems to me that the the danger of this current strategy there's 00:55:25,589 --> 00:55:25,599 danger of this current strategy there's 00:55:25,599 --> 00:55:27,750 danger of this current strategy there's two main ones first firstly that Israel 00:55:27,750 --> 00:55:27,760 two main ones first firstly that Israel 00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:29,870 two main ones first firstly that Israel in end up unintentionally killing 00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:29,880 in end up unintentionally killing 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,710 in end up unintentionally killing killing what hostages are left alive in 00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:32,720 killing what hostages are left alive in 00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:37,829 killing what hostages are left alive in Gaza and two even if they defeat Hamas 00:55:37,829 --> 00:55:37,839 Gaza and two even if they defeat Hamas 00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:41,789 Gaza and two even if they defeat Hamas on paper even if they get rid of many 00:55:41,789 --> 00:55:41,799 on paper even if they get rid of many 00:55:41,799 --> 00:55:47,750 on paper even if they get rid of many Hamas militants the ideology of Hamas is 00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:47,760 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,670 only if anything it would support the 00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:50,680 only if anything it would support the 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:52,510 only if anything it would support the ideology it it sort of proves the 00:55:52,510 --> 00:55:52,520 ideology it it sort of proves the 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,990 ideology it it sort of proves the ideology depending how you take 00:55:54,990 --> 00:55:55,000 ideology depending how you take 00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,670 ideology depending how you take it on on the other hand and this is 00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:57,680 it on on the other hand and this is 00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:59,150 it on on the other hand and this is something that you alluded to earlier in 00:55:59,150 --> 00:55:59,160 something that you alluded to earlier in 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,270 something that you alluded to earlier in this conversation when how America 00:56:01,270 --> 00:56:01,280 this conversation when how America 00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,630 this conversation when how America should deal with Iran about sanctioning 00:56:04,630 --> 00:56:04,640 should deal with Iran about sanctioning 00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,109 should deal with Iran about sanctioning and getting towards the leadership we 00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:07,119 and getting towards the leadership we 00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:08,549 and getting towards the leadership we know that herass leadership are 00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:08,559 know that herass leadership are 00:56:08,559 --> 00:56:10,910 know that herass leadership are currently in Qatar the British 00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:10,920 currently in Qatar the British 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,069 currently in Qatar the British sanctioned the Russians at the beginning 00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:13,079 sanctioned the Russians at the beginning 00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:15,750 sanctioned the Russians at the beginning of the Russia Ukraine war it seems to me 00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:15,760 of the Russia Ukraine war it seems to me 00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,950 of the Russia Ukraine war it seems to me that or or at least my question would be 00:56:17,950 --> 00:56:17,960 that or or at least my question would be 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,190 that or or at least my question would be why isn't it that there's been an 00:56:21,190 --> 00:56:21,200 why isn't it that there's been an 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,750 why isn't it that there's been an attempt to deal with the leadership in 00:56:23,750 --> 00:56:23,760 attempt to deal with the leadership in 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:28,190 attempt to deal with the leadership in Qatar and Force qatar's Hand 00:56:28,190 --> 00:56:28,200 Qatar and Force qatar's Hand 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,309 Qatar and Force qatar's Hand which seems to be and and get rid of the 00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:30,319 which seems to be and and get rid of the 00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:32,230 which seems to be and and get rid of the leadership of Hamas that are there that 00:56:32,230 --> 00:56:32,240 leadership of Hamas that are there that 00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:34,829 leadership of Hamas that are there that seems to me a more logical approach this 00:56:34,829 --> 00:56:34,839 seems to me a more logical approach this 00:56:34,839 --> 00:56:37,510 seems to me a more logical approach this war than the conflict in Gaza sorry 00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:37,520 war than the conflict in Gaza sorry 00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,190 war than the conflict in Gaza sorry that's a bit of a muddled question but I 00:56:39,190 --> 00:56:39,200 that's a bit of a muddled question but I 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,230 that's a bit of a muddled question but I wondered if you have insight into why 00:56:41,230 --> 00:56:41,240 wondered if you have insight into why 00:56:41,240 --> 00:56:43,109 wondered if you have insight into why that wasn't the approach there's a lot 00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:43,119 that wasn't the approach there's a lot 00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:47,190 that wasn't the approach there's a lot of what you say um uh Israel has uh 00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:47,200 of what you say um uh Israel has uh 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:50,670 of what you say um uh Israel has uh regarded katar as a kind of 00:56:50,670 --> 00:56:50,680 regarded katar as a kind of 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,549 regarded katar as a kind of interloc um Israel has made many 00:56:53,549 --> 00:56:53,559 interloc um Israel has made many 00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:56,309 interloc um Israel has made many mistakes and that's one of them yeah um 00:56:56,309 --> 00:56:56,319 mistakes and that's one of them yeah um 00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:58,230 mistakes and that's one of them yeah um Israel's mistakes however are made kind 00:56:58,230 --> 00:56:58,240 Israel's mistakes however are made kind 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,029 Israel's mistakes however are made kind of almost always because it feels it has 00:57:01,029 --> 00:57:01,039 of almost always because it feels it has 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:02,870 of almost always because it feels it has no alternative so we can all argue about 00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:02,880 no alternative so we can all argue about 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,109 no alternative so we can all argue about that with 2020 hindsight Vision but the 00:57:06,109 --> 00:57:06,119 that with 2020 hindsight Vision but the 00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:09,950 that with 2020 hindsight Vision but the fact is that after October 00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:09,960 fact is that after October 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,630 fact is that after October 7 the war in Gaza could have been 00:57:13,630 --> 00:57:13,640 7 the war in Gaza could have been 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:19,230 7 the war in Gaza could have been stopped at Birth if America had said to 00:57:19,230 --> 00:57:19,240 stopped at Birth if America had said to 00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:23,270 stopped at Birth if America had said to Kata we got 24 you got 24 hours you call 00:57:23,270 --> 00:57:23,280 Kata we got 24 you got 24 hours you call 00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,190 Kata we got 24 you got 24 hours you call off Hamas you throw them out of DOA 00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:27,200 off Hamas you throw them out of DOA 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:29,950 off Hamas you throw them out of DOA you call them off and you get them to 00:57:29,950 --> 00:57:29,960 you call them off and you get them to 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,109 you call them off and you get them to return every hostage now otherwise 00:57:33,109 --> 00:57:33,119 return every hostage now otherwise 00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,470 return every hostage now otherwise you're out of here we no longer will 00:57:35,470 --> 00:57:35,480 you're out of here we no longer will 00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,349 you're out of here we no longer will support you we will no longer have you 00:57:38,349 --> 00:57:38,359 support you we will no longer have you 00:57:38,359 --> 00:57:41,670 support you we will no longer have you anywhere near us we will cut off 00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:41,680 anywhere near us we will cut off 00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,150 anywhere near us we will cut off all all your 00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:44,160 all all your 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,390 all all your benefits the war would have finished 00:57:46,390 --> 00:57:46,400 benefits the war would have finished 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,829 benefits the war would have finished immediately before it was even started 00:57:48,829 --> 00:57:48,839 immediately before it was even started 00:57:48,839 --> 00:57:51,829 immediately before it was even started so why hasn't America done that you tell 00:57:51,829 --> 00:57:51,839 so why hasn't America done that you tell 00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:53,390 so why hasn't America done that you tell me I mean I maybe there something we 00:57:53,390 --> 00:57:53,400 me I mean I maybe there something we 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:54,950 me I mean I maybe there something we don't know maybe I don't know but I 00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:54,960 don't know maybe I don't know but I 00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,109 don't know maybe I don't know but I would suspect I mean k it's not just 00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:57,119 would suspect I mean k it's not just 00:57:57,119 --> 00:58:01,750 would suspect I mean k it's not just America in Britain I mean Kata has over 00:58:01,750 --> 00:58:01,760 America in Britain I mean Kata has over 00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:05,630 America in Britain I mean Kata has over many years infiltrated itself into our 00:58:05,630 --> 00:58:05,640 many years infiltrated itself into our 00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,109 many years infiltrated itself into our Societies in the west it's financed a 00:58:08,109 --> 00:58:08,119 Societies in the west it's financed a 00:58:08,119 --> 00:58:10,109 Societies in the west it's financed a vast amount of stuff I mean there are 00:58:10,109 --> 00:58:10,119 vast amount of stuff I mean there are 00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:11,950 vast amount of stuff I mean there are many many universities which are 00:58:11,950 --> 00:58:11,960 many many universities which are 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,190 many many universities which are financed by ker um football clubs 00:58:16,190 --> 00:58:16,200 financed by ker um football clubs 00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:17,589 financed by ker um football clubs stadiums 00:58:17,589 --> 00:58:17,599 stadiums 00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:19,789 stadiums whatever and everybody thought was ker 00:58:19,789 --> 00:58:19,799 whatever and everybody thought was ker 00:58:19,799 --> 00:58:22,670 whatever and everybody thought was ker was basically okay because nobody 00:58:22,670 --> 00:58:22,680 was basically okay because nobody 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:24,870 was basically okay because nobody actually cared about the fact that it 00:58:24,870 --> 00:58:24,880 actually cared about the fact that it 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,510 actually cared about the fact that it was it had it it founded Hamas basically 00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:29,520 was it had it it founded Hamas basically 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:33,230 was it had it it founded Hamas basically um it sheltered you know Sheik karwi who 00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:33,240 um it sheltered you know Sheik karwi who 00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:37,470 um it sheltered you know Sheik karwi who was the the principal early um spiritual 00:58:37,470 --> 00:58:37,480 was the the principal early um spiritual 00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,190 was the the principal early um spiritual mentor of Hamas and it still runs 00:58:41,190 --> 00:58:41,200 mentor of Hamas and it still runs 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:44,910 mentor of Hamas and it still runs Hamas they are the same thing so this is 00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:44,920 Hamas they are the same thing so this is 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,069 Hamas they are the same thing so this is like Madness so you're entirely right 00:58:47,069 --> 00:58:47,079 like Madness so you're entirely right 00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:49,549 like Madness so you're entirely right and I can only assume it's it's you know 00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:49,559 and I can only assume it's it's you know 00:58:49,559 --> 00:58:51,829 and I can only assume it's it's you know it's a paradigm that the 00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:51,839 it's a paradigm that the 00:58:51,839 --> 00:58:55,150 it's a paradigm that the West adopted which was like many other 00:58:55,150 --> 00:58:55,160 West adopted which was like many other 00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,230 West adopted which was like many other paradigms and Israel was part of that 00:58:57,230 --> 00:58:57,240 paradigms and Israel was part of that 00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,670 paradigms and Israel was part of that Netanyahu was part of that um uh 00:59:00,670 --> 00:59:00,680 Netanyahu was part of that um uh 00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,430 Netanyahu was part of that um uh regarding katar as you know the least 00:59:02,430 --> 00:59:02,440 regarding katar as you know the least 00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,390 regarding katar as you know the least worst and therefore we can use them and 00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:04,400 worst and therefore we can use them and 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,750 worst and therefore we can use them and we know we have to have some sort of 00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:05,760 we know we have to have some sort of 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:07,870 we know we have to have some sort of interlocutor with the Hamas you can see 00:59:07,870 --> 00:59:07,880 interlocutor with the Hamas you can see 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:10,870 interlocutor with the Hamas you can see how it all how how how how sort of 00:59:10,870 --> 00:59:10,880 how it all how how how how sort of 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,430 how it all how how how how sort of pragmatically a politician gets himself 00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:13,440 pragmatically a politician gets himself 00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,510 pragmatically a politician gets himself into that kind of situation 2020 00:59:15,510 --> 00:59:15,520 into that kind of situation 2020 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,589 into that kind of situation 2020 hindsight it was Madness but we are 00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:17,599 hindsight it was Madness but we are 00:59:17,599 --> 00:59:19,670 hindsight it was Madness but we are where we are and they could stop it now 00:59:19,670 --> 00:59:19,680 where we are and they could stop it now 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:23,510 where we are and they could stop it now but they don't okay um you say the Hamas 00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:23,520 but they don't okay um you say the Hamas 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:26,309 but they don't okay um you say the Hamas ideology can't be defeated 00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:26,319 ideology can't be defeated 00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:28,670 ideology can't be defeated uh and kind of you know they're in 00:59:28,670 --> 00:59:28,680 uh and kind of you know they're in 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:29,910 uh and kind of you know they're in people argue against that and would say 00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:29,920 people argue against that and would say 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,109 people argue against that and would say what we def we defeated Nazi ideology we 00:59:32,109 --> 00:59:32,119 what we def we defeated Nazi ideology we 00:59:32,119 --> 00:59:34,750 what we def we defeated Nazi ideology we def defeated Japanese imperialism but it 00:59:34,750 --> 00:59:34,760 def defeated Japanese imperialism but it 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,670 def defeated Japanese imperialism but it it strikes me this is a little bit 00:59:36,670 --> 00:59:36,680 it strikes me this is a little bit 00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:38,750 it strikes me this is a little bit different one obvious example it's 00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:38,760 different one obvious example it's 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:40,630 different one obvious example it's different is is deeply it's it's it's 00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:40,640 different is is deeply it's it's it's 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,270 different is is deeply it's it's it's religious it's tied in with Islam it's 00:59:42,270 --> 00:59:42,280 religious it's tied in with Islam it's 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,430 religious it's tied in with Islam it's for sure for sure but the idea that 00:59:44,430 --> 00:59:44,440 for sure for sure but the idea that 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,390 for sure for sure but the idea that first yes you're you're you're right and 00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:46,400 first yes you're you're you're right and 00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:50,029 first yes you're you're you're right and you're wrong um the idea that islamism 00:59:50,029 --> 00:59:50,039 you're wrong um the idea that islamism 00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:55,789 you're wrong um the idea that islamism is uh fueled by um despair you know that 00:59:55,789 --> 00:59:55,799 is uh fueled by um despair you know that 00:59:55,799 --> 00:59:58,470 is uh fueled by um despair you know that if if we if if Israel spashes the Hamas 00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:58,480 if if we if if Israel spashes the Hamas 00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:01,309 if if we if if Israel spashes the Hamas that that the the the anger will be so 01:00:01,309 --> 01:00:01,319 that that the the the anger will be so 01:00:01,319 --> 01:00:03,470 that that the the the anger will be so great that you'll have you'll have many 01:00:03,470 --> 01:00:03,480 great that you'll have you'll have many 01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,349 great that you'll have you'll have many many more volunteering to be martyrs in 01:00:06,349 --> 01:00:06,359 many more volunteering to be martyrs in 01:00:06,359 --> 01:00:07,990 many more volunteering to be martyrs in the W of it no do that's not how it 01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:08,000 the W of it no do that's not how it 01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:10,470 the W of it no do that's not how it works that's not how it works what 01:00:10,470 --> 01:00:10,480 works that's not how it works what 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,630 works that's not how it works what inspires islamists and has inspired them 01:00:13,630 --> 01:00:13,640 inspires islamists and has inspired them 01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,510 inspires islamists and has inspired them ever since the Iranian Revolution 01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:15,520 ever since the Iranian Revolution 01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:19,190 ever since the Iranian Revolution happened in 1979 is the prospect of 01:00:19,190 --> 01:00:19,200 happened in 1979 is the prospect of 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,109 happened in 1979 is the prospect of Victory the success they're inspired by 01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:23,119 Victory the success they're inspired by 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:25,549 Victory the success they're inspired by killing by defeating the enemy whether 01:00:25,549 --> 01:00:25,559 killing by defeating the enemy whether 01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:28,029 killing by defeating the enemy whether it's the whether it's Israel that's what 01:00:28,029 --> 01:00:28,039 it's the whether it's Israel that's what 01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:29,910 it's the whether it's Israel that's what fuels them we're almost there we're 01:00:29,910 --> 01:00:29,920 fuels them we're almost there we're 01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:34,750 fuels them we're almost there we're almost there now what Al so 01:00:34,750 --> 01:00:34,760 almost there now what Al so 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,349 almost there now what Al so conversely uh what depresses them in 01:00:37,349 --> 01:00:37,359 conversely uh what depresses them in 01:00:37,359 --> 01:00:39,870 conversely uh what depresses them in every sense is 01:00:39,870 --> 01:00:39,880 every sense is 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,510 every sense is defeat now you're absolutely right you 01:00:42,510 --> 01:00:42,520 defeat now you're absolutely right you 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:44,470 defeat now you're absolutely right you can't defeat the the ideology of Hamas 01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:44,480 can't defeat the the ideology of Hamas 01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,750 can't defeat the the ideology of Hamas what is the ideology of Hamas it's not a 01:00:46,750 --> 01:00:46,760 what is the ideology of Hamas it's not a 01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:49,510 what is the ideology of Hamas it's not a particular ideology unto 01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:49,520 particular ideology unto 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,589 particular ideology unto itself the ideology of Hamas is the 01:00:52,589 --> 01:00:52,599 itself the ideology of Hamas is the 01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:54,990 itself the ideology of Hamas is the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood Hamas 01:00:54,990 --> 01:00:55,000 ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood Hamas 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,670 ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood Hamas is part of the Muslim Brotherhood and 01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:57,680 is part of the Muslim Brotherhood and 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,069 is part of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Muslim Brotherhood 01:01:00,069 --> 01:01:00,079 the Muslim Brotherhood 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:04,309 the Muslim Brotherhood is uh an organization a movement uh 01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:04,319 is uh an organization a movement uh 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:09,470 is uh an organization a movement uh which is um it it operates uh through uh 01:01:09,470 --> 01:01:09,480 which is um it it operates uh through uh 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,430 which is um it it operates uh through uh it's highly decentralized it operates 01:01:11,430 --> 01:01:11,440 it's highly decentralized it operates 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,549 it's highly decentralized it operates through little institutions uh Charities 01:01:14,549 --> 01:01:14,559 through little institutions uh Charities 01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:17,589 through little institutions uh Charities voluntary groups mosques and it's all 01:01:17,589 --> 01:01:17,599 voluntary groups mosques and it's all 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:20,710 voluntary groups mosques and it's all over the west and that's how it carries 01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:20,720 over the west and that's how it carries 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:23,470 over the west and that's how it carries uh Jihad whether it's violent Jihad in 01:01:23,470 --> 01:01:23,480 uh Jihad whether it's violent Jihad in 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,549 uh Jihad whether it's violent Jihad in certain circumstances or whether it's 01:01:25,549 --> 01:01:25,559 certain circumstances or whether it's 01:01:25,559 --> 01:01:28,150 certain circumstances or whether it's INF filtration Jihad to take over a 01:01:28,150 --> 01:01:28,160 INF filtration Jihad to take over a 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,870 INF filtration Jihad to take over a culture but that's what it's at so of 01:01:30,870 --> 01:01:30,880 culture but that's what it's at so of 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,109 culture but that's what it's at so of course you can't defeat hamas's ideology 01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:33,119 course you can't defeat hamas's ideology 01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:34,950 course you can't defeat hamas's ideology it's the Brotherhood and the Brotherhood 01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:34,960 it's the Brotherhood and the Brotherhood 01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,549 it's the Brotherhood and the Brotherhood is everywhere and it will 01:01:37,549 --> 01:01:37,559 is everywhere and it will 01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:39,630 is everywhere and it will continue what you can do and what the 01:01:39,630 --> 01:01:39,640 continue what you can do and what the 01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,990 continue what you can do and what the Israelis as I as far as I can see what 01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:42,000 Israelis as I as far as I can see what 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,910 Israelis as I as far as I can see what they're trying to do is to defeat it in 01:01:44,910 --> 01:01:44,920 they're trying to do is to defeat it in 01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,710 they're trying to do is to defeat it in Gaza as a military force so that never 01:01:47,710 --> 01:01:47,720 Gaza as a military force so that never 01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,190 Gaza as a military force so that never again can Hamas in Gaza or any other 01:01:52,190 --> 01:01:52,200 again can Hamas in Gaza or any other 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:55,150 again can Hamas in Gaza or any other terrorist or entity do to Israel what it 01:01:55,150 --> 01:01:55,160 terrorist or entity do to Israel what it 01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:59,309 terrorist or entity do to Israel what it did on October s or Worse that's that's 01:01:59,309 --> 01:01:59,319 did on October s or Worse that's that's 01:01:59,319 --> 01:02:01,870 did on October s or Worse that's that's it that's its limited aim and my 01:02:01,870 --> 01:02:01,880 it that's its limited aim and my 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,549 it that's its limited aim and my goodness that's that's hard enough 01:02:03,549 --> 01:02:03,559 goodness that's that's hard enough 01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:06,430 goodness that's that's hard enough because Hamas is very deeply rooted 01:02:06,430 --> 01:02:06,440 because Hamas is very deeply rooted 01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,789 because Hamas is very deeply rooted literally physically I mean it's 01:02:08,789 --> 01:02:08,799 literally physically I mean it's 01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:11,470 literally physically I mean it's underground um so it's a very very 01:02:11,470 --> 01:02:11,480 underground um so it's a very very 01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:12,670 underground um so it's a very very difficult thing to pull off I don't know 01:02:12,670 --> 01:02:12,680 difficult thing to pull off I don't know 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:13,470 difficult thing to pull off I don't know whether they're going to be able to pull 01:02:13,470 --> 01:02:13,480 whether they're going to be able to pull 01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:14,829 whether they're going to be able to pull it off but let's assume they do pull it 01:02:14,829 --> 01:02:14,839 it off but let's assume they do pull it 01:02:14,839 --> 01:02:17,349 it off but let's assume they do pull it off let's assume and you they say 01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:17,359 off let's assume and you they say 01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:20,670 off let's assume and you they say they're in ruer I mean you know as of 01:02:20,670 --> 01:02:20,680 they're in ruer I mean you know as of 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,630 they're in ruer I mean you know as of today there are stories which I believe 01:02:22,630 --> 01:02:22,640 today there are stories which I believe 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:27,109 today there are stories which I believe to be true that Israel has downg graded 01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:27,119 to be true that Israel has downg graded 01:02:27,119 --> 01:02:31,230 to be true that Israel has downg graded its war war aim in Rafa under pressure 01:02:31,230 --> 01:02:31,240 its war war aim in Rafa under pressure 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,950 its war war aim in Rafa under pressure from the Americans the Americans have 01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:33,960 from the Americans the Americans have 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:36,589 from the Americans the Americans have put enormous pressure on Israel 01:02:36,589 --> 01:02:36,599 put enormous pressure on Israel 01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:39,750 put enormous pressure on Israel threatening to abandon them at the UN 01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:39,760 threatening to abandon them at the UN 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,109 threatening to abandon them at the UN threatening to cut off 01:02:42,109 --> 01:02:42,119 threatening to cut off 01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:44,950 threatening to cut off arms echoed by the mini 01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:44,960 arms echoed by the mini 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:49,990 arms echoed by the mini me in uh the foreign office David 01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:50,000 me in uh the foreign office David 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:52,510 me in uh the foreign office David Cameron threatening them if you go into 01:02:52,510 --> 01:02:52,520 Cameron threatening them if you go into 01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:55,510 Cameron threatening them if you go into Rafa we will cut you off they don't want 01:02:55,510 --> 01:02:55,520 Rafa we will cut you off they don't want 01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,349 Rafa we will cut you off they don't want him to go they don't want them to win 01:02:57,349 --> 01:02:57,359 him to go they don't want them to win 01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:01,710 him to go they don't want them to win okay so Israel is trying to defeat the 01:03:01,710 --> 01:03:01,720 okay so Israel is trying to defeat the 01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,069 okay so Israel is trying to defeat the remaining battalions in Rafa with both 01:03:05,069 --> 01:03:05,079 remaining battalions in Rafa with both 01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:06,990 remaining battalions in Rafa with both basically one arm at least tied behind 01:03:06,990 --> 01:03:07,000 basically one arm at least tied behind 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,510 basically one arm at least tied behind its back but it's trying to defeat it in 01:03:08,510 --> 01:03:08,520 its back but it's trying to defeat it in 01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:10,630 its back but it's trying to defeat it in Rafa right I don't know whether it's 01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:10,640 Rafa right I don't know whether it's 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,990 Rafa right I don't know whether it's going to succeed fine let's assume it 01:03:12,990 --> 01:03:13,000 going to succeed fine let's assume it 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,990 going to succeed fine let's assume it does succeed let's assume that it 01:03:15,990 --> 01:03:16,000 does succeed let's assume that it 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,589 does succeed let's assume that it achieves its war ends to prevent the 01:03:18,589 --> 01:03:18,599 achieves its war ends to prevent the 01:03:18,599 --> 01:03:21,950 achieves its war ends to prevent the Hamas from ever again posing a military 01:03:21,950 --> 01:03:21,960 Hamas from ever again posing a military 01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:25,789 Hamas from ever again posing a military threat to the citizens of Israel it will 01:03:25,789 --> 01:03:25,799 threat to the citizens of Israel it will 01:03:25,799 --> 01:03:28,910 threat to the citizens of Israel it will will then have defeated a principal 01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:28,920 will then have defeated a principal 01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:32,309 will then have defeated a principal weapon of War of 01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:32,319 weapon of War of 01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:35,069 weapon of War of Iran and that will have a knock-on 01:03:35,069 --> 01:03:35,079 Iran and that will have a knock-on 01:03:35,079 --> 01:03:38,029 Iran and that will have a knock-on effect because it will be a tremendous 01:03:38,029 --> 01:03:38,039 effect because it will be a tremendous 01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:40,309 effect because it will be a tremendous setback for Iran that's why Iran is 01:03:40,309 --> 01:03:40,319 setback for Iran that's why Iran is 01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:42,990 setback for Iran that's why Iran is going to these enormous lengths to stop 01:03:42,990 --> 01:03:43,000 going to these enormous lengths to stop 01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,990 going to these enormous lengths to stop it um because it can't have that without 01:03:46,990 --> 01:03:47,000 it um because it can't have that without 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,589 it um because it can't have that without sustaining great damage to its own aims 01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:49,599 sustaining great damage to its own aims 01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:52,589 sustaining great damage to its own aims of regional domination of war against 01:03:52,589 --> 01:03:52,599 of regional domination of war against 01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:54,710 of regional domination of war against the west of the extermination of Israel 01:03:54,710 --> 01:03:54,720 the west of the extermination of Israel 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,269 the west of the extermination of Israel and so on 01:03:56,269 --> 01:03:56,279 and so on 01:03:56,279 --> 01:04:00,390 and so on and you know theah is looking is looking 01:04:00,390 --> 01:04:00,400 and you know theah is looking is looking 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,109 and you know theah is looking is looking at what's been done already in Gaza and 01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:03,119 at what's been done already in Gaza and 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:04,870 at what's been done already in Gaza and it's looking at whether Israel is going 01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:04,880 it's looking at whether Israel is going 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,390 it's looking at whether Israel is going to win this because if it doesn't win it 01:04:07,390 --> 01:04:07,400 to win this because if it doesn't win it 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,589 to win this because if it doesn't win it if it's perceived to have lost if sinir 01:04:10,589 --> 01:04:10,599 if it's perceived to have lost if sinir 01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:13,109 if it's perceived to have lost if sinir can arise and say I'm here I'm still 01:04:13,109 --> 01:04:13,119 can arise and say I'm here I'm still 01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,950 can arise and say I'm here I'm still here and we're gonna continue then heah 01:04:15,950 --> 01:04:15,960 here and we're gonna continue then heah 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:17,829 here and we're gonna continue then heah is going to say right we're still in 01:04:17,829 --> 01:04:17,839 is going to say right we're still in 01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:19,430 is going to say right we're still in business 01:04:19,430 --> 01:04:19,440 business 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,910 business Lads if aah looks at Gaza and sees 01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:23,920 Lads if aah looks at Gaza and sees 01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,750 Lads if aah looks at Gaza and sees hypothetically sinir is dead the Hamas 01:04:26,750 --> 01:04:26,760 hypothetically sinir is dead the Hamas 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,349 hypothetically sinir is dead the Hamas is finished in Gaza as a military force 01:04:30,349 --> 01:04:30,359 is finished in Gaza as a military force 01:04:30,359 --> 01:04:34,069 is finished in Gaza as a military force do we in the Hezbollah want that to 01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:34,079 do we in the Hezbollah want that to 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:38,150 do we in the Hezbollah want that to happen to us no so everything gets put 01:04:38,150 --> 01:04:38,160 happen to us no so everything gets put 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,829 happen to us no so everything gets put back to a certain extent into its box 01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:41,839 back to a certain extent into its box 01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:43,630 back to a certain extent into its box now is that a long-term solution to this 01:04:43,630 --> 01:04:43,640 now is that a long-term solution to this 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,150 now is that a long-term solution to this terrible conflict that goes on in the 01:04:45,150 --> 01:04:45,160 terrible conflict that goes on in the 01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,269 terrible conflict that goes on in the Middle East no that's another matter but 01:04:49,269 --> 01:04:49,279 Middle East no that's another matter but 01:04:49,279 --> 01:04:52,630 Middle East no that's another matter but in terms of you know there's no point in 01:04:52,630 --> 01:04:52,640 in terms of you know there's no point in 01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:54,230 in terms of you know there's no point in defeating the Hamas because you can't 01:04:54,230 --> 01:04:54,240 defeating the Hamas because you can't 01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,069 defeating the Hamas because you can't defeat them which is an argument that I 01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:56,079 defeat them which is an argument that I 01:04:56,079 --> 01:04:58,549 defeat them which is an argument that I hear all the time I think that is a 01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:58,559 hear all the time I think that is a 01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:00,910 hear all the time I think that is a fundamental misreading of how things 01:05:00,910 --> 01:05:00,920 fundamental misreading of how things 01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:02,670 fundamental misreading of how things work in the Islamic world and in the 01:05:02,670 --> 01:05:02,680 work in the Islamic world and in the 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:04,150 work in the Islamic world and in the Middle 01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:04,160 Middle 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:06,670 Middle East the other thing that 01:05:06,670 --> 01:05:06,680 East the other thing that 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,510 East the other thing that seems you might have more insight than 01:05:09,510 --> 01:05:09,520 seems you might have more insight than 01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,150 seems you might have more insight than me that if let's say Israel do defeat 01:05:12,150 --> 01:05:12,160 me that if let's say Israel do defeat 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,109 me that if let's say Israel do defeat the military wing of 01:05:14,109 --> 01:05:14,119 the military wing of 01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:17,549 the military wing of Hamas they will now have to occupy Gaza 01:05:17,549 --> 01:05:17,559 Hamas they will now have to occupy Gaza 01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:20,069 Hamas they will now have to occupy Gaza oh the day after and so it's kind it's 01:05:20,069 --> 01:05:20,079 oh the day after and so it's kind it's 01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:22,269 oh the day after and so it's kind it's it's it's a nightmare that will Contin 01:05:22,269 --> 01:05:22,279 it's it's a nightmare that will Contin 01:05:22,279 --> 01:05:23,789 it's it's a nightmare that will Contin it is a nightmare forever and maybe it's 01:05:23,789 --> 01:05:23,799 it is a nightmare forever and maybe it's 01:05:23,799 --> 01:05:25,750 it is a nightmare forever and maybe it's a question of well we'll cross that 01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:25,760 a question of well we'll cross that 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:28,510 a question of well we'll cross that bridge when we get to it but then it's 01:05:28,510 --> 01:05:28,520 bridge when we get to it but then it's 01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,029 bridge when we get to it but then it's almost we're going back in circles 01:05:30,029 --> 01:05:30,039 almost we're going back in circles 01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:32,910 almost we're going back in circles around and and these things perpetuate 01:05:32,910 --> 01:05:32,920 around and and these things perpetuate 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,549 around and and these things perpetuate and this is a matter of great concern 01:05:35,549 --> 01:05:35,559 and this is a matter of great concern 01:05:35,559 --> 01:05:37,430 and this is a matter of great concern Netanyahu you know whether you like him 01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:37,440 Netanyahu you know whether you like him 01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,029 Netanyahu you know whether you like him or not you have to sort of listen to 01:05:39,029 --> 01:05:39,039 or not you have to sort of listen to 01:05:39,039 --> 01:05:43,029 or not you have to sort of listen to what he's saying he has said two things 01:05:43,029 --> 01:05:43,039 what he's saying he has said two things 01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:44,710 what he's saying he has said two things first of all he has said the day after 01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:44,720 first of all he has said the day after 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,710 first of all he has said the day after is for the day after first of all we 01:05:46,710 --> 01:05:46,720 is for the day after first of all we 01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:48,589 is for the day after first of all we have to defeat the Hamas and that is a 01:05:48,589 --> 01:05:48,599 have to defeat the Hamas and that is a 01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:50,910 have to defeat the Hamas and that is a big undertaking and it may take months 01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:50,920 big undertaking and it may take months 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,309 big undertaking and it may take months it may take a long long time when it 01:05:53,309 --> 01:05:53,319 it may take a long long time when it 01:05:53,319 --> 01:05:55,029 it may take a long long time when it took I don't know how how long it took 01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:55,039 took I don't know how how long it took 01:05:55,039 --> 01:05:57,109 took I don't know how how long it took the Americans to to defeat Isis and 01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:57,119 the Americans to to defeat Isis and 01:05:57,119 --> 01:06:00,109 the Americans to to defeat Isis and mosul but it took a long time and mosul 01:06:00,109 --> 01:06:00,119 mosul but it took a long time and mosul 01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:01,589 mosul but it took a long time and mosul was like a piece of cake compared with 01:06:01,589 --> 01:06:01,599 was like a piece of cake compared with 01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:03,789 was like a piece of cake compared with what's going on in Gaza so that's the 01:06:03,789 --> 01:06:03,799 what's going on in Gaza so that's the 01:06:03,799 --> 01:06:06,269 what's going on in Gaza so that's the first thing you know first things first 01:06:06,269 --> 01:06:06,279 first thing you know first things first 01:06:06,279 --> 01:06:08,109 first thing you know first things first okay and we'll talk about the day after 01:06:08,109 --> 01:06:08,119 okay and we'll talk about the day after 01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:09,950 okay and we'll talk about the day after the day after but he has talked about 01:06:09,950 --> 01:06:09,960 the day after but he has talked about 01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:12,069 the day after but he has talked about the day after Netanyahu actually and 01:06:12,069 --> 01:06:12,079 the day after Netanyahu actually and 01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:13,789 the day after Netanyahu actually and everybody has gone thought of oh for 01:06:13,789 --> 01:06:13,799 everybody has gone thought of oh for 01:06:13,799 --> 01:06:16,069 everybody has gone thought of oh for goodness sake it's ridiculous okay but 01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:16,079 goodness sake it's ridiculous okay but 01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:17,870 goodness sake it's ridiculous okay but he has talked about it what he has said 01:06:17,870 --> 01:06:17,880 he has talked about it what he has said 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:20,829 he has talked about it what he has said is there has to be in place we don't 01:06:20,829 --> 01:06:20,839 is there has to be in place we don't 01:06:20,839 --> 01:06:22,630 is there has to be in place we don't want to be in Gaza the Israelis do not 01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:22,640 want to be in Gaza the Israelis do not 01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:23,710 want to be in Gaza the Israelis do not want to be in 01:06:23,710 --> 01:06:23,720 want to be in 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,630 want to be in Gaza um and we're not going to have a 01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:26,640 Gaza um and we're not going to have a 01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:27,789 Gaza um and we're not going to have a Palestinian State this is what the 01:06:27,789 --> 01:06:27,799 Palestinian State this is what the 01:06:27,799 --> 01:06:29,109 Palestinian State this is what the Americans want they want a Palestinian 01:06:29,109 --> 01:06:29,119 Americans want they want a Palestinian 01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:30,670 Americans want they want a Palestinian state in Gaza and they want it run by 01:06:30,670 --> 01:06:30,680 state in Gaza and they want it run by 01:06:30,680 --> 01:06:32,870 state in Gaza and they want it run by the Palestinian Authority now the 01:06:32,870 --> 01:06:32,880 the Palestinian Authority now the 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:34,430 the Palestinian Authority now the Palestinian 01:06:34,430 --> 01:06:34,440 Palestinian 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,269 Palestinian Authority is itself highly complicit in 01:06:37,269 --> 01:06:37,279 Authority is itself highly complicit in 01:06:37,279 --> 01:06:39,950 Authority is itself highly complicit in all this first of all the biggest party 01:06:39,950 --> 01:06:39,960 all this first of all the biggest party 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:41,910 all this first of all the biggest party in the Palestinian Authority soall 01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:41,920 in the Palestinian Authority soall 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,230 in the Palestinian Authority soall moderate Palestinian Authority run by 01:06:44,230 --> 01:06:44,240 moderate Palestinian Authority run by 01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:47,750 moderate Palestinian Authority run by Mahmud abas so-called moderate 01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:47,760 Mahmud abas so-called moderate 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,630 Mahmud abas so-called moderate Statesman the biggest party which is 01:06:50,630 --> 01:06:50,640 Statesman the biggest party which is 01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:53,190 Statesman the biggest party which is fatak in the palestin authority whose 01:06:53,190 --> 01:06:53,200 fatak in the palestin authority whose 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,630 fatak in the palestin authority whose leader or chairman whatever he is is m 01:06:55,630 --> 01:06:55,640 leader or chairman whatever he is is m 01:06:55,640 --> 01:07:00,390 leader or chairman whatever he is is m mm abas fat has said over and over again 01:07:00,390 --> 01:07:00,400 mm abas fat has said over and over again 01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:01,750 mm abas fat has said over and over again what a wonderful thing happened on 01:07:01,750 --> 01:07:01,760 what a wonderful thing happened on 01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,950 what a wonderful thing happened on October 7 we want many more October 7s 01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:04,960 October 7 we want many more October 7s 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,990 October 7 we want many more October 7s and so on it's first thing second thing 01:07:06,990 --> 01:07:07,000 and so on it's first thing second thing 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:08,430 and so on it's first thing second thing is that Palestinian Authority police 01:07:08,430 --> 01:07:08,440 is that Palestinian Authority police 01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:09,630 is that Palestinian Authority police officers have been involved in 01:07:09,630 --> 01:07:09,640 officers have been involved in 01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,829 officers have been involved in atrocities since October 7 against 01:07:13,829 --> 01:07:13,839 atrocities since October 7 against 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:17,029 atrocities since October 7 against Israelis third thing is that the 01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:17,039 Israelis third thing is that the 01:07:17,039 --> 01:07:19,829 Israelis third thing is that the Palestinian Authority is not 01:07:19,829 --> 01:07:19,839 Palestinian Authority is not 01:07:19,839 --> 01:07:23,029 Palestinian Authority is not moderate it tells the West something in 01:07:23,029 --> 01:07:23,039 moderate it tells the West something in 01:07:23,039 --> 01:07:25,630 moderate it tells the West something in English which moderate compared to Hamas 01:07:25,630 --> 01:07:25,640 English which moderate compared to Hamas 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:29,789 English which moderate compared to Hamas no no not even no no it adopts it wears 01:07:29,789 --> 01:07:29,799 no no not even no no it adopts it wears 01:07:29,799 --> 01:07:32,069 no no not even no no it adopts it wears a suit so it's thought of as moderate 01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:32,079 a suit so it's thought of as moderate 01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:35,029 a suit so it's thought of as moderate you look at what the palestin authority 01:07:35,029 --> 01:07:35,039 you look at what the palestin authority 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:37,190 you look at what the palestin authority teaches its children and I'm talk when I 01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:37,200 teaches its children and I'm talk when I 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,670 teaches its children and I'm talk when I say children I mean Generations that are 01:07:39,670 --> 01:07:39,680 say children I mean Generations that are 01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:42,150 say children I mean Generations that are now adults and grandfathers and 01:07:42,150 --> 01:07:42,160 now adults and grandfathers and 01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,470 now adults and grandfathers and grandmothers it teaches them to hate 01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:44,480 grandmothers it teaches them to hate 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,870 grandmothers it teaches them to hate Jews as Jews it teaches them that their 01:07:46,870 --> 01:07:46,880 Jews as Jews it teaches them that their 01:07:46,880 --> 01:07:49,990 Jews as Jews it teaches them that their highest calling is to murder Jews and to 01:07:49,990 --> 01:07:50,000 highest calling is to murder Jews and to 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,069 highest calling is to murder Jews and to destroy Israel and to steal its land it 01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:53,079 destroy Israel and to steal its land it 01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:54,950 destroy Israel and to steal its land it doesn't say steal it says take the land 01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:54,960 doesn't say steal it says take the land 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,829 doesn't say steal it says take the land what do they mean they don't mean the 01:07:56,829 --> 01:07:56,839 what do they mean they don't mean the 01:07:56,839 --> 01:07:59,069 what do they mean they don't mean the so-called occupied territories they 01:07:59,069 --> 01:07:59,079 so-called occupied territories they 01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:02,029 so-called occupied territories they don't mean Gaza Israel isn't in Gaza 01:08:02,029 --> 01:08:02,039 don't mean Gaza Israel isn't in Gaza 01:08:02,039 --> 01:08:07,950 don't mean Gaza Israel isn't in Gaza they mean Tel Aviv hia Jaffa the lot 01:08:07,950 --> 01:08:07,960 they mean Tel Aviv hia Jaffa the lot 01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:09,470 they mean Tel Aviv hia Jaffa the lot because that's the 01:08:09,470 --> 01:08:09,480 because that's the 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:12,870 because that's the agenda 01:08:12,870 --> 01:08:12,880 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:15,950 and the complicity of the Palestinian 01:08:15,950 --> 01:08:15,960 and the complicity of the Palestinian 01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:19,590 and the complicity of the Palestinian authorities people with Terror over 01:08:19,590 --> 01:08:19,600 authorities people with Terror over 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,789 authorities people with Terror over years and still today the activities of 01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:22,799 years and still today the activities of 01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:25,149 years and still today the activities of the Palestinian Authority in inciting 01:08:25,149 --> 01:08:25,159 the Palestinian Authority in inciting 01:08:25,159 --> 01:08:28,590 the Palestinian Authority in inciting hate of Jews and using Nazi style 01:08:28,590 --> 01:08:28,600 hate of Jews and using Nazi style 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,789 hate of Jews and using Nazi style language to do so hatred of Jews and the 01:08:31,789 --> 01:08:31,799 language to do so hatred of Jews and the 01:08:31,799 --> 01:08:34,269 language to do so hatred of Jews and the desire to murder Israelis and to to take 01:08:34,269 --> 01:08:34,279 desire to murder Israelis and to to take 01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:37,269 desire to murder Israelis and to to take their land for the whole of their land 01:08:37,269 --> 01:08:37,279 their land for the whole of their land 01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:39,550 their land for the whole of their land this is this is it's it's not a secret 01:08:39,550 --> 01:08:39,560 this is this is it's it's not a secret 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,470 this is this is it's it's not a secret it's not a secret and yet the Americans 01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:42,480 it's not a secret and yet the Americans 01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:45,950 it's not a secret and yet the Americans want to put the PA into Gaza to run it 01:08:45,950 --> 01:08:45,960 want to put the PA into Gaza to run it 01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:48,829 want to put the PA into Gaza to run it now Netanyahu said I'm not having that 01:08:48,829 --> 01:08:48,839 now Netanyahu said I'm not having that 01:08:48,839 --> 01:08:50,470 now Netanyahu said I'm not having that so we don't want to be in Gaza running 01:08:50,470 --> 01:08:50,480 so we don't want to be in Gaza running 01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:53,590 so we don't want to be in Gaza running it we're not having the PA running it so 01:08:53,590 --> 01:08:53,600 it we're not having the PA running it so 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,910 it we're not having the PA running it so like like who 01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:55,920 like like who 01:08:55,920 --> 01:08:59,430 like like who good question so Netanyahu says we want 01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:59,440 good question so Netanyahu says we want 01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:00,829 good question so Netanyahu says we want ordinary 01:09:00,829 --> 01:09:00,839 ordinary 01:09:00,839 --> 01:09:04,470 ordinary garans ordinary Garin who are not Hamas 01:09:04,470 --> 01:09:04,480 garans ordinary Garin who are not Hamas 01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:07,630 garans ordinary Garin who are not Hamas but who are not the PA we want ordinary 01:09:07,630 --> 01:09:07,640 but who are not the PA we want ordinary 01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:10,309 but who are not the PA we want ordinary gazin to run Gaza now what does that 01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:10,319 gazin to run Gaza now what does that 01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:12,430 gazin to run Gaza now what does that mean in practice I can't tell you but he 01:09:12,430 --> 01:09:12,440 mean in practice I can't tell you but he 01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:15,110 mean in practice I can't tell you but he has said that he has said that and I 01:09:15,110 --> 01:09:15,120 has said that he has said that and I 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,070 has said that he has said that and I think either he has said or people have 01:09:17,070 --> 01:09:17,080 think either he has said or people have 01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,309 think either he has said or people have surmised that Gaza could be run under a 01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:20,319 surmised that Gaza could be run under a 01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:24,390 surmised that Gaza could be run under a kind of administration governed by you 01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:24,400 kind of administration governed by you 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:27,470 kind of administration governed by you know Saudi Arab I Egypt the trouble is 01:09:27,470 --> 01:09:27,480 know Saudi Arab I Egypt the trouble is 01:09:27,480 --> 01:09:29,229 know Saudi Arab I Egypt the trouble is they don't want anything to do with the 01:09:29,229 --> 01:09:29,239 they don't want anything to do with the 01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:32,070 they don't want anything to do with the Palestinians they hate them Egypt goes 01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:32,080 Palestinians they hate them Egypt goes 01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,430 Palestinians they hate them Egypt goes to enormous lengths it's built a wall 01:09:34,430 --> 01:09:34,440 to enormous lengths it's built a wall 01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:36,789 to enormous lengths it's built a wall it's it's it refuses to send any Aid 01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:36,799 it's it's it refuses to send any Aid 01:09:36,799 --> 01:09:39,390 it's it's it refuses to send any Aid Across The Crossings it it it has it 01:09:39,390 --> 01:09:39,400 Across The Crossings it it it has it 01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:41,870 Across The Crossings it it it has it Egypt has sealed the crossing people 01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:41,880 Egypt has sealed the crossing people 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:43,990 Egypt has sealed the crossing people don't realize Egypt has a border with 01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:44,000 don't realize Egypt has a border with 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:47,430 don't realize Egypt has a border with Gaza they hate the Palestinians they 01:09:47,430 --> 01:09:47,440 Gaza they hate the Palestinians they 01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:49,870 Gaza they hate the Palestinians they want them gone they won't want anything 01:09:49,870 --> 01:09:49,880 want them gone they won't want anything 01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,070 want them gone they won't want anything to do with them this is a big 01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:52,080 to do with them this is a big 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:56,590 to do with them this is a big problem anyway um it's somewhere in that 01:09:56,590 --> 01:09:56,600 problem anyway um it's somewhere in that 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,709 problem anyway um it's somewhere in that region that you can see an 01:09:58,709 --> 01:09:58,719 region that you can see an 01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:01,149 region that you can see an administration of Gaza taking place in 01:10:01,149 --> 01:10:01,159 administration of Gaza taking place in 01:10:01,159 --> 01:10:04,830 administration of Gaza taking place in other words we hope that ordinary 01:10:04,830 --> 01:10:04,840 other words we hope that ordinary 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:07,669 other words we hope that ordinary garans for whom Hamas has been a 01:10:07,669 --> 01:10:07,679 garans for whom Hamas has been a 01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:10,149 garans for whom Hamas has been a disaster they've robbed them blind 01:10:10,149 --> 01:10:10,159 disaster they've robbed them blind 01:10:10,159 --> 01:10:12,630 disaster they've robbed them blind they're corrupt they kill them they 01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:12,640 they're corrupt they kill them they 01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:15,390 they're corrupt they kill them they incarcerate them it's just tyranny so we 01:10:15,390 --> 01:10:15,400 incarcerate them it's just tyranny so we 01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:17,630 incarcerate them it's just tyranny so we hope that ordinary garans could be found 01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:17,640 hope that ordinary garans could be found 01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:21,430 hope that ordinary garans could be found to run it decently we hope that's I 01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:21,440 to run it decently we hope that's I 01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:23,910 to run it decently we hope that's I think what Netanyahu is getting at under 01:10:23,910 --> 01:10:23,920 think what Netanyahu is getting at under 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:25,870 think what Netanyahu is getting at under some sort of 01:10:25,870 --> 01:10:25,880 some sort of 01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,709 some sort of International Co you know confabulation 01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:28,719 International Co you know confabulation 01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:32,070 International Co you know confabulation a regional confabulation of people who 01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:32,080 a regional confabulation of people who 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:34,669 a regional confabulation of people who who can who can basically sort out the 01:10:34,669 --> 01:10:34,679 who can who can basically sort out the 01:10:34,679 --> 01:10:38,470 who can who can basically sort out the nonsense if it starts again I don't know 01:10:38,470 --> 01:10:38,480 nonsense if it starts again I don't know 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:39,990 nonsense if it starts again I don't know my personal hope would be some someone 01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:40,000 my personal hope would be some someone 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,350 my personal hope would be some someone like the emirati stting ex stepping up 01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:42,360 like the emirati stting ex stepping up 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:43,669 like the emirati stting ex stepping up they've been absolutely phenomenal if we 01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:43,679 they've been absolutely phenomenal if we 01:10:43,679 --> 01:10:45,430 they've been absolutely phenomenal if we can get back to the Abraham Accords 01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:45,440 can get back to the Abraham Accords 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:46,950 can get back to the Abraham Accords exactly that to me is where there's hope 01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:46,960 exactly that to me is where there's hope 01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:48,510 exactly that to me is where there's hope there's a great example that's the roote 01:10:48,510 --> 01:10:48,520 there's a great example that's the roote 01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,550 there's a great example that's the roote to peace that's the root to peace if you 01:10:50,550 --> 01:10:50,560 to peace that's the root to peace if you 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:51,990 to peace that's the root to peace if you know you've written a lot about Islam 01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:52,000 know you've written a lot about Islam 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:54,310 know you've written a lot about Islam and and Muslims in the west and 01:10:54,310 --> 01:10:54,320 and and Muslims in the west and 01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:56,390 and and Muslims in the west and obviously of course Isel to me if you 01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:56,400 obviously of course Isel to me if you 01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,990 obviously of course Isel to me if you need a u a better example there is no 01:10:58,990 --> 01:10:59,000 need a u a better example there is no 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,189 need a u a better example there is no better example of the possibility of 01:11:01,189 --> 01:11:01,199 better example of the possibility of 01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:04,709 better example of the possibility of peace and trade and nobl with a Muslim 01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:04,719 peace and trade and nobl with a Muslim 01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:06,550 peace and trade and nobl with a Muslim Nation than the emiratis I agree the 01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:06,560 Nation than the emiratis I agree the 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,950 Nation than the emiratis I agree the emiratis uh leave us like katar which is 01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:08,960 emiratis uh leave us like katar which is 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,510 emiratis uh leave us like katar which is a problem the emiratis K katar are part 01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:11,520 a problem the emiratis K katar are part 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:14,950 a problem the emiratis K katar are part of that same I know axis of Evil Iran 01:11:14,950 --> 01:11:14,960 of that same I know axis of Evil Iran 01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:17,030 of that same I know axis of Evil Iran Russia ham but they're all people 01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:17,040 Russia ham but they're all people 01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:18,550 Russia ham but they're all people thought the Gulf States but you know 01:11:18,550 --> 01:11:18,560 thought the Gulf States but you know 01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,590 thought the Gulf States but you know katar is different so Saudi Arabia 01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:21,600 katar is different so Saudi Arabia 01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:24,510 katar is different so Saudi Arabia emiratis um that's the route to peace 01:11:24,510 --> 01:11:24,520 emiratis um that's the route to peace 01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,149 emiratis um that's the route to peace now what the the Americans are doing 01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:26,159 now what the the Americans are doing 01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:28,990 now what the the Americans are doing which is so wicked it is really wicked 01:11:28,990 --> 01:11:29,000 which is so wicked it is really wicked 01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:32,350 which is so wicked it is really wicked they are dangling over Israel the 01:11:32,350 --> 01:11:32,360 they are dangling over Israel the 01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,229 they are dangling over Israel the prospect of the peace that we all want 01:11:35,229 --> 01:11:35,239 prospect of the peace that we all want 01:11:35,239 --> 01:11:36,830 prospect of the peace that we all want through Saudi 01:11:36,830 --> 01:11:36,840 through Saudi 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,149 through Saudi Arabia they're dangling that with the 01:11:40,149 --> 01:11:40,159 Arabia they're dangling that with the 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:42,070 Arabia they're dangling that with the price that it comes through a 01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:42,080 price that it comes through a 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,870 price that it comes through a Palestinian state governed by the PA in 01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:44,880 Palestinian state governed by the PA in 01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,709 Palestinian state governed by the PA in other words if you want peace with Saudi 01:11:47,709 --> 01:11:47,719 other words if you want peace with Saudi 01:11:47,719 --> 01:11:50,110 other words if you want peace with Saudi Arabia we're we Americans are going to 01:11:50,110 --> 01:11:50,120 Arabia we're we Americans are going to 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,229 Arabia we're we Americans are going to facilitate that provided that you agree 01:11:53,229 --> 01:11:53,239 facilitate that provided that you agree 01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:55,470 facilitate that provided that you agree that what's establish in Gaza is an 01:11:55,470 --> 01:11:55,480 that what's establish in Gaza is an 01:11:55,480 --> 01:11:56,910 that what's establish in Gaza is an Administration that's going to murder 01:11:56,910 --> 01:11:56,920 Administration that's going to murder 01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,669 Administration that's going to murder you 01:11:59,669 --> 01:11:59,679 01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:03,189 again because the Americans are obsessed 01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:03,199 again because the Americans are obsessed 01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:05,229 again because the Americans are obsessed with the two- States solution I mean the 01:12:05,229 --> 01:12:05,239 with the two- States solution I mean the 01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:06,510 with the two- States solution I mean the Americans I would say it's the Biden 01:12:06,510 --> 01:12:06,520 Americans I would say it's the Biden 01:12:06,520 --> 01:12:07,950 Americans I would say it's the Biden Administration the blinkin and it's 01:12:07,950 --> 01:12:07,960 Administration the blinkin and it's 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:10,629 Administration the blinkin and it's going back to an Obama worldview towards 01:12:10,629 --> 01:12:10,639 going back to an Obama worldview towards 01:12:10,639 --> 01:12:12,189 going back to an Obama worldview towards Iran I I really don't think that was the 01:12:12,189 --> 01:12:12,199 Iran I I really don't think that was the 01:12:12,199 --> 01:12:14,070 Iran I I really don't think that was the case under under Trump with Jared 01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:14,080 case under under Trump with Jared 01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:16,189 case under under Trump with Jared Kushner but that would maybe is a whole 01:12:16,189 --> 01:12:16,199 Kushner but that would maybe is a whole 01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:19,310 Kushner but that would maybe is a whole other conversation um but looking back 01:12:19,310 --> 01:12:19,320 other conversation um but looking back 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,310 other conversation um but looking back over many decades many 01:12:21,310 --> 01:12:21,320 over many decades many 01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,669 over many decades many administrations they've all had this 01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:23,679 administrations they've all had this 01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:27,030 administrations they've all had this this this belief that it's it's a it's a 01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:27,040 this this belief that it's it's a it's a 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:29,070 this this belief that it's it's a it's a fight 01:12:29,070 --> 01:12:29,080 fight 01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,629 fight over land land boundaries the the 01:12:32,629 --> 01:12:32,639 over land land boundaries the the 01:12:32,639 --> 01:12:35,470 over land land boundaries the the division of land no ad American 01:12:35,470 --> 01:12:35,480 division of land no ad American 01:12:35,480 --> 01:12:37,229 division of land no ad American Administration has ever said this is a 01:12:37,229 --> 01:12:37,239 Administration has ever said this is a 01:12:37,239 --> 01:12:39,790 Administration has ever said this is a war of extermination against Israel and 01:12:39,790 --> 01:12:39,800 war of extermination against Israel and 01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:41,470 war of extermination against Israel and we will treat the Palestinians 01:12:41,470 --> 01:12:41,480 we will treat the Palestinians 01:12:41,480 --> 01:12:44,750 we will treat the Palestinians accordingly if that had happened none of 01:12:44,750 --> 01:12:44,760 accordingly if that had happened none of 01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,030 accordingly if that had happened none of this would be happening this whole thing 01:12:47,030 --> 01:12:47,040 this would be happening this whole thing 01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:49,110 this would be happening this whole thing has been facilitated by the West 01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:49,120 has been facilitated by the West 01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:50,470 has been facilitated by the West treating a war of 01:12:50,470 --> 01:12:50,480 treating a war of 01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:53,709 treating a war of extermination as a platform for 01:12:53,709 --> 01:12:53,719 extermination as a platform for 01:12:53,719 --> 01:12:56,229 extermination as a platform for compromise over land as a result of 01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:56,239 compromise over land as a result of 01:12:56,239 --> 01:12:59,030 compromise over land as a result of which they have facilitated encouraged 01:12:59,030 --> 01:12:59,040 which they have facilitated encouraged 01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:03,189 which they have facilitated encouraged sanitized and funded the people bent on 01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:03,199 sanitized and funded the people bent on 01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:06,510 sanitized and funded the people bent on extermination if that were to stop this 01:13:06,510 --> 01:13:06,520 extermination if that were to stop this 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:08,070 extermination if that were to stop this whole thing would 01:13:08,070 --> 01:13:08,080 whole thing would 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:12,149 whole thing would stop but no one sees that no one no one 01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:12,159 stop but no one sees that no one no one 01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:14,430 stop but no one sees that no one no one accepts it everyone's obsessed by this 01:13:14,430 --> 01:13:14,440 accepts it everyone's obsessed by this 01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:16,750 accepts it everyone's obsessed by this you know it's two states two- State 01:13:16,750 --> 01:13:16,760 you know it's two states two- State 01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:19,470 you know it's two states two- State solution it's the wrong it's the it's a 01:13:19,470 --> 01:13:19,480 solution it's the wrong it's the it's a 01:13:19,480 --> 01:13:22,070 solution it's the wrong it's the it's a great answer it's a great answer but 01:13:22,070 --> 01:13:22,080 great answer it's a great answer but 01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,189 great answer it's a great answer but it's the answer to the wrong question if 01:13:24,189 --> 01:13:24,199 it's the answer to the wrong question if 01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:27,390 it's the answer to the wrong question if that was a solution two states it could 01:13:27,390 --> 01:13:27,400 that was a solution two states it could 01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:30,070 that was a solution two states it could have been had in the 1930s when it was 01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:30,080 have been had in the 1930s when it was 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,750 have been had in the 1930s when it was first offered it's been offered to the 01:13:32,750 --> 01:13:32,760 first offered it's been offered to the 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:36,629 first offered it's been offered to the Palestinians over and over again by 01:13:36,629 --> 01:13:36,639 Palestinians over and over again by 01:13:36,639 --> 01:13:39,430 Palestinians over and over again by Israel every time the Palestinians have 01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:39,440 Israel every time the Palestinians have 01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:42,270 Israel every time the Palestinians have refused and have instead murdered 01:13:42,270 --> 01:13:42,280 refused and have instead murdered 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:45,870 refused and have instead murdered Israelis waged War and the West says oh 01:13:45,870 --> 01:13:45,880 Israelis waged War and the West says oh 01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,590 Israelis waged War and the West says oh no no two-state solution Israel standing 01:13:48,590 --> 01:13:48,600 no no two-state solution Israel standing 01:13:48,600 --> 01:13:54,310 no no two-state solution Israel standing in the way this is to be crazy it's like 01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:54,320 in the way this is to be crazy it's like 01:13:54,320 --> 01:13:57,350 in the way this is to be crazy it's like I'm not going to even acknowledge the 01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:57,360 I'm not going to even acknowledge the 01:13:57,360 --> 01:14:00,149 I'm not going to even acknowledge the reality because it's just too difficult 01:14:00,149 --> 01:14:00,159 reality because it's just too difficult 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:01,790 reality because it's just too difficult and it gets in the way of my core 01:14:01,790 --> 01:14:01,800 and it gets in the way of my core 01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:03,830 and it gets in the way of my core beliefs that every problem is 01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:03,840 beliefs that every problem is 01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:05,629 beliefs that every problem is susceptible 01:14:05,629 --> 01:14:05,639 susceptible 01:14:05,639 --> 01:14:10,070 susceptible to negotiated compromise so of course 01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:10,080 to negotiated compromise so of course 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,070 to negotiated compromise so of course war of extermination nonsense this is a 01:14:13,070 --> 01:14:13,080 war of extermination nonsense this is a 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:14,669 war of extermination nonsense this is a fight over 01:14:14,669 --> 01:14:14,679 fight over 01:14:14,679 --> 01:14:17,629 fight over land it's not and as a result we are 01:14:17,629 --> 01:14:17,639 land it's not and as a result we are 01:14:17,639 --> 01:14:19,910 land it's not and as a result we are where we are there is someone that's 01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:19,920 where we are there is someone that's 01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,550 where we are there is someone that's come up fleetingly in this conversation 01:14:21,550 --> 01:14:21,560 come up fleetingly in this conversation 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,430 come up fleetingly in this conversation that I think might be a way of tying a 01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:23,440 that I think might be a way of tying a 01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:25,390 that I think might be a way of tying a few of the different threads with have 01:14:25,390 --> 01:14:25,400 few of the different threads with have 01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:26,910 few of the different threads with have together and maybe taking it to a couple 01:14:26,910 --> 01:14:26,920 together and maybe taking it to a couple 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,510 together and maybe taking it to a couple of other questions or topics I hope we 01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:29,520 of other questions or topics I hope we 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,510 of other questions or topics I hope we have we can address like a 01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:31,520 have we can address like a 01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:33,870 have we can address like a fractal you mentioned David Cameron and 01:14:33,870 --> 01:14:33,880 fractal you mentioned David Cameron and 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,830 fractal you mentioned David Cameron and you have previously said I think 01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:35,840 you have previously said I think 01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,350 you have previously said I think recently at the national conservative 01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:37,360 recently at the national conservative 01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:38,950 recently at the national conservative conference that it is not surprising 01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:38,960 conference that it is not surprising 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:40,830 conference that it is not surprising that David Cameron who bet the farm on 01:14:40,830 --> 01:14:40,840 that David Cameron who bet the farm on 01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,189 that David Cameron who bet the farm on the UK staying in the EU and lost David 01:14:43,189 --> 01:14:43,199 the UK staying in the EU and lost David 01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:45,669 the UK staying in the EU and lost David Cameron is the conservative who has most 01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:45,679 Cameron is the conservative who has most 01:14:45,679 --> 01:14:48,709 Cameron is the conservative who has most venomously turned on Israel the Paradigm 01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:48,719 venomously turned on Israel the Paradigm 01:14:48,719 --> 01:14:50,870 venomously turned on Israel the Paradigm nation state now I tyeing this together 01:14:50,870 --> 01:14:50,880 nation state now I tyeing this together 01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:51,990 nation state now I tyeing this together not only because we're talking about 01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:52,000 not only because we're talking about 01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,110 not only because we're talking about Israel but because also we talked 01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:55,120 Israel but because also we talked 01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,270 Israel but because also we talked earlier about Nation statism nationalism 01:14:58,270 --> 01:14:58,280 earlier about Nation statism nationalism 01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:00,510 earlier about Nation statism nationalism and the conservative party in this 01:15:00,510 --> 01:15:00,520 and the conservative party in this 01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,750 and the conservative party in this country have completely bought into the 01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:03,760 country have completely bought into the 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:06,709 country have completely bought into the supranational ideology away from 01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:06,719 supranational ideology away from 01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:08,590 supranational ideology away from nationalism or if you can call I know 01:15:08,590 --> 01:15:08,600 nationalism or if you can call I know 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:10,030 nationalism or if you can call I know I'm sort of making up words here as we 01:15:10,030 --> 01:15:10,040 I'm sort of making up words here as we 01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,510 I'm sort of making up words here as we go along but I'm curious firstly by what 01:15:13,510 --> 01:15:13,520 go along but I'm curious firstly by what 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,430 go along but I'm curious firstly by what you mean by David Cameron turning on 01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:16,440 you mean by David Cameron turning on 01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:19,149 you mean by David Cameron turning on Israel but I'm also curious to 01:15:19,149 --> 01:15:19,159 Israel but I'm also curious to 01:15:19,159 --> 01:15:21,270 Israel but I'm also curious to understand what your take is on 01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:21,280 understand what your take is on 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:25,430 understand what your take is on the the the kind of dire end of it seems 01:15:25,430 --> 01:15:25,440 the the the kind of dire end of it seems 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,070 the the the kind of dire end of it seems like the conservative party who are 01:15:27,070 --> 01:15:27,080 like the conservative party who are 01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,189 like the conservative party who are heading towards electoral obliteration 01:15:30,189 --> 01:15:30,199 heading towards electoral obliteration 01:15:30,199 --> 01:15:33,149 heading towards electoral obliteration they are indeed connected 01:15:33,149 --> 01:15:33,159 they are indeed connected 01:15:33,159 --> 01:15:37,510 they are indeed connected um uh Cameron seems to me to be a 01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:37,520 um uh Cameron seems to me to be a 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:40,030 um uh Cameron seems to me to be a Universalist the idea that universalism 01:15:40,030 --> 01:15:40,040 Universalist the idea that universalism 01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:42,149 Universalist the idea that universalism which is the Creed of the left is only 01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:42,159 which is the Creed of the left is only 01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:43,990 which is the Creed of the left is only confined to the left the political left 01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:44,000 confined to the left the political left 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,229 confined to the left the political left I think is 01:15:45,229 --> 01:15:45,239 I think is 01:15:45,239 --> 01:15:47,950 I think is wrong um a number of people who consider 01:15:47,950 --> 01:15:47,960 wrong um a number of people who consider 01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:49,750 wrong um a number of people who consider themselves to be conservative call 01:15:49,750 --> 01:15:49,760 themselves to be conservative call 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:50,790 themselves to be conservative call themselves conservative and certainly 01:15:50,790 --> 01:15:50,800 themselves conservative and certainly 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,390 themselves conservative and certainly are in the conservative party in this 01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:52,400 are in the conservative party in this 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:55,590 are in the conservative party in this country um are universalists Cameron is 01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:55,600 country um are universalists Cameron is 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:57,470 country um are universalists Cameron is one of them which is why he was a 01:15:57,470 --> 01:15:57,480 one of them which is why he was a 01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:00,709 one of them which is why he was a remainer uh why he fought um against 01:16:00,709 --> 01:16:00,719 remainer uh why he fought um against 01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:06,390 remainer uh why he fought um against brexit and so on so forth now 01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:06,400 brexit and so on so forth now 01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:07,990 brexit and so on so forth now um 01:16:07,990 --> 01:16:08,000 um 01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:13,229 um he uh um has been using well for a long 01:16:13,229 --> 01:16:13,239 he uh um has been using well for a long 01:16:13,239 --> 01:16:16,310 he uh um has been using well for a long time now um I know several 01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:16,320 time now um I know several 01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,270 time now um I know several months uh his language has become much 01:16:19,270 --> 01:16:19,280 months uh his language has become much 01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,229 months uh his language has become much more um I would say venomous against 01:16:22,229 --> 01:16:22,239 more um I would say venomous against 01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:24,950 more um I would say venomous against Israel by venomous I mean he's turned on 01:16:24,950 --> 01:16:24,960 Israel by venomous I mean he's turned on 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:30,550 Israel by venomous I mean he's turned on Israel in a a a a an uncontable Way by 01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:30,560 Israel in a a a a an uncontable Way by 01:16:30,560 --> 01:16:35,030 Israel in a a a a an uncontable Way by repeating the lies um for example the 01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:35,040 repeating the lies um for example the 01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,830 repeating the lies um for example the lie that um they are wantedly killing 01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:37,840 lie that um they are wantedly killing 01:16:37,840 --> 01:16:39,629 lie that um they are wantedly killing people that their that their civilian 01:16:39,629 --> 01:16:39,639 people that their that their civilian 01:16:39,639 --> 01:16:42,470 people that their that their civilian the civilian casualties in G are are are 01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:42,480 the civilian casualties in G are are are 01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:44,750 the civilian casualties in G are are are terrible that they are thwarting uh 01:16:44,750 --> 01:16:44,760 terrible that they are thwarting uh 01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:47,910 terrible that they are thwarting uh humanitarian aid from coming in uh 01:16:47,910 --> 01:16:47,920 humanitarian aid from coming in uh 01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:49,910 humanitarian aid from coming in uh without any kind of context that you 01:16:49,910 --> 01:16:49,920 without any kind of context that you 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:52,550 without any kind of context that you know the occasions when humanitarian Aid 01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:52,560 know the occasions when humanitarian Aid 01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,390 know the occasions when humanitarian Aid has been thwarted is because it's not 01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:54,400 has been thwarted is because it's not 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:56,550 has been thwarted is because it's not humanit inade at all it's du it's it 01:16:56,550 --> 01:16:56,560 humanit inade at all it's du it's it 01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,470 humanit inade at all it's du it's it could be used for nefarious purposes or 01:16:59,470 --> 01:16:59,480 could be used for nefarious purposes or 01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:02,229 could be used for nefarious purposes or that Hamas are stealing it or that Hamas 01:17:02,229 --> 01:17:02,239 that Hamas are stealing it or that Hamas 01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:04,110 that Hamas are stealing it or that Hamas are firing on the crossing points or 01:17:04,110 --> 01:17:04,120 are firing on the crossing points or 01:17:04,120 --> 01:17:06,709 are firing on the crossing points or whatever uh no no Israel is is is 01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:06,719 whatever uh no no Israel is is is 01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:08,550 whatever uh no no Israel is is is stopping humanitarian Aid I mean this is 01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:08,560 stopping humanitarian Aid I mean this is 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:11,149 stopping humanitarian Aid I mean this is this is this is a lie and killing too 01:17:11,149 --> 01:17:11,159 this is this is a lie and killing too 01:17:11,159 --> 01:17:12,990 this is this is a lie and killing too many people we just we we've talked 01:17:12,990 --> 01:17:13,000 many people we just we we've talked 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,229 many people we just we we've talked about that the opposite is the case now 01:17:15,229 --> 01:17:15,239 about that the opposite is the case now 01:17:15,239 --> 01:17:17,669 about that the opposite is the case now how can he put that put out these lies 01:17:17,669 --> 01:17:17,679 how can he put that put out these lies 01:17:17,679 --> 01:17:20,590 how can he put that put out these lies um which not only um hurt 01:17:20,590 --> 01:17:20,600 um which not only um hurt 01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,830 um which not only um hurt Israel weaken Israel by Britain turning 01:17:23,830 --> 01:17:23,840 Israel weaken Israel by Britain turning 01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,750 Israel weaken Israel by Britain turning against it in this way but also incite 01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:26,760 against it in this way but also incite 01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,470 against it in this way but also incite anti-Semitism they incite hatred of Jews 01:17:29,470 --> 01:17:29,480 anti-Semitism they incite hatred of Jews 01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:30,950 anti-Semitism they incite hatred of Jews on the assumption that all Jews are 01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:30,960 on the assumption that all Jews are 01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:32,990 on the assumption that all Jews are responsible for Israel which is of 01:17:32,990 --> 01:17:33,000 responsible for Israel which is of 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,950 responsible for Israel which is of common a common assumption uh every time 01:17:35,950 --> 01:17:35,960 common a common assumption uh every time 01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:38,629 common a common assumption uh every time uh in in recent decades every time 01:17:38,629 --> 01:17:38,639 uh in in recent decades every time 01:17:38,639 --> 01:17:41,430 uh in in recent decades every time Israel is portrayed as doing terrible 01:17:41,430 --> 01:17:41,440 Israel is portrayed as doing terrible 01:17:41,440 --> 01:17:42,790 Israel is portrayed as doing terrible things to the Palestinians even though 01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:42,800 things to the Palestinians even though 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:45,189 things to the Palestinians even though it's based on lies people believe it and 01:17:45,189 --> 01:17:45,199 it's based on lies people believe it and 01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:48,270 it's based on lies people believe it and the the literally the the the this the 01:17:48,270 --> 01:17:48,280 the the literally the the the this the 01:17:48,280 --> 01:17:51,070 the the literally the the the this the the attacks on Jews in this country both 01:17:51,070 --> 01:17:51,080 the attacks on Jews in this country both 01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,030 the attacks on Jews in this country both verbal and physical they Spike 01:17:53,030 --> 01:17:53,040 verbal and physical they Spike 01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:54,910 verbal and physical they Spike immediately immediately so there's 01:17:54,910 --> 01:17:54,920 immediately immediately so there's 01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:58,229 immediately immediately so there's direct line between the lies told about 01:17:58,229 --> 01:17:58,239 direct line between the lies told about 01:17:58,239 --> 01:18:01,669 direct line between the lies told about Israel and incitement to Jew hatred in 01:18:01,669 --> 01:18:01,679 Israel and incitement to Jew hatred in 01:18:01,679 --> 01:18:03,950 Israel and incitement to Jew hatred in this country he knows that if he doesn't 01:18:03,950 --> 01:18:03,960 this country he knows that if he doesn't 01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:05,709 this country he knows that if he doesn't know it he's an idiot but that's 01:18:05,709 --> 01:18:05,719 know it he's an idiot but that's 01:18:05,719 --> 01:18:08,310 know it he's an idiot but that's certainly the effect of what he's doing 01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:08,320 certainly the effect of what he's doing 01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:10,870 certainly the effect of what he's doing and this to me is unconscionable now to 01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:10,880 and this to me is unconscionable now to 01:18:10,880 --> 01:18:11,990 and this to me is unconscionable now to a certain extent you could say well the 01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:12,000 a certain extent you could say well the 01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,149 a certain extent you could say well the British government has toughened up its 01:18:13,149 --> 01:18:13,159 British government has toughened up its 01:18:13,159 --> 01:18:15,669 British government has toughened up its rhetoric generally because it has it's 01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:15,679 rhetoric generally because it has it's 01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:17,790 rhetoric generally because it has it's Marching In lock step with the Biden 01:18:17,790 --> 01:18:17,800 Marching In lock step with the Biden 01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,350 Marching In lock step with the Biden Biden Administration which itself turned 01:18:20,350 --> 01:18:20,360 Biden Administration which itself turned 01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,830 Biden Administration which itself turned on Israel much more openly in the last 01:18:23,830 --> 01:18:23,840 on Israel much more openly in the last 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,790 on Israel much more openly in the last two or three months 01:18:25,790 --> 01:18:25,800 two or three months 01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,669 two or three months uh so you could say that but to me it is 01:18:28,669 --> 01:18:28,679 uh so you could say that but to me it is 01:18:28,679 --> 01:18:29,629 uh so you could say that but to me it is part 01:18:29,629 --> 01:18:29,639 part 01:18:29,639 --> 01:18:35,390 part of um a general view which is that 01:18:35,390 --> 01:18:35,400 of um a general view which is that 01:18:35,400 --> 01:18:38,350 of um a general view which is that Israel's great crime to people who hold 01:18:38,350 --> 01:18:38,360 Israel's great crime to people who hold 01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,470 Israel's great crime to people who hold to Universalist principles is that 01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:40,480 to Universalist principles is that 01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:43,750 to Universalist principles is that Israel is the Paradigm nation state uh 01:18:43,750 --> 01:18:43,760 Israel is the Paradigm nation state uh 01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:45,750 Israel is the Paradigm nation state uh Israel actually or the Jewish people 01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:45,760 Israel actually or the Jewish people 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,430 Israel actually or the Jewish people created the the template for the nation 01:18:48,430 --> 01:18:48,440 created the the template for the nation 01:18:48,440 --> 01:18:52,229 created the the template for the nation state in ancient Judea in ancient Israel 01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:52,239 state in ancient Judea in ancient Israel 01:18:52,239 --> 01:18:57,149 state in ancient Judea in ancient Israel uh because uh it was um a nation 01:18:57,149 --> 01:18:57,159 uh because uh it was um a nation 01:18:57,159 --> 01:19:01,030 uh because uh it was um a nation governed by its own laws in its own land 01:19:01,030 --> 01:19:01,040 governed by its own laws in its own land 01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:02,350 governed by its own laws in its own land geographically 01:19:02,350 --> 01:19:02,360 geographically 01:19:02,360 --> 01:19:04,470 geographically defined for which they 01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:04,480 defined for which they 01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:06,950 defined for which they fought and that was consciously taken up 01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:06,960 fought and that was consciously taken up 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,830 fought and that was consciously taken up by all kinds of people including the 01:19:08,830 --> 01:19:08,840 by all kinds of people including the 01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,990 by all kinds of people including the British uh ancient Britain the the the 01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:12,000 British uh ancient Britain the the the 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,750 British uh ancient Britain the the the the kings and queens and the monarchs of 01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:13,760 the kings and queens and the monarchs of 01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,790 the kings and queens and the monarchs of of ancient Britain patent themselves on 01:19:15,790 --> 01:19:15,800 of ancient Britain patent themselves on 01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,310 of ancient Britain patent themselves on this uh it's why there are rituals from 01:19:19,310 --> 01:19:19,320 this uh it's why there are rituals from 01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:21,709 this uh it's why there are rituals from ancient judaic Rich rituals in the 01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:21,719 ancient judaic Rich rituals in the 01:19:21,719 --> 01:19:24,310 ancient judaic Rich rituals in the coronation ceremony in America they 01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:24,320 coronation ceremony in America they 01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:28,590 coronation ceremony in America they patent themselves on on on this precise 01:19:28,590 --> 01:19:28,600 patent themselves on on on this precise 01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:32,830 patent themselves on on on this precise template so it's of ancient going back 01:19:32,830 --> 01:19:32,840 template so it's of ancient going back 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:34,430 template so it's of ancient going back into Antiquity it was the Paradigm 01:19:34,430 --> 01:19:34,440 into Antiquity it was the Paradigm 01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:36,950 into Antiquity it was the Paradigm nation state and it is now the Paradigm 01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:36,960 nation state and it is now the Paradigm 01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:39,310 nation state and it is now the Paradigm nation state in a world in which 01:19:39,310 --> 01:19:39,320 nation state in a world in which 01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:40,070 nation state in a world in which received 01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:40,080 received 01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,590 received opinion says the Nations the West the 01:19:42,590 --> 01:19:42,600 opinion says the Nations the West the 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:44,270 opinion says the Nations the West the western style nation state the West 01:19:44,270 --> 01:19:44,280 western style nation state the West 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,390 western style nation state the West failan nation state is an Abomination 01:19:47,390 --> 01:19:47,400 failan nation state is an Abomination 01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:48,870 failan nation state is an Abomination it's the cause of War it's cause of 01:19:48,870 --> 01:19:48,880 it's the cause of War it's cause of 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,430 it's the cause of War it's cause of prejudice and all those terrible things 01:19:50,430 --> 01:19:50,440 prejudice and all those terrible things 01:19:50,440 --> 01:19:52,070 prejudice and all those terrible things and here's Israel and not only is it a 01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:52,080 and here's Israel and not only is it a 01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:53,910 and here's Israel and not only is it a nation state not only is it like a 01:19:53,910 --> 01:19:53,920 nation state not only is it like a 01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,270 nation state not only is it like a patent on the word 01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:55,280 patent on the word 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,310 patent on the word but my goodness me it's defined by 01:19:57,310 --> 01:19:57,320 but my goodness me it's defined by 01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,709 but my goodness me it's defined by ethnicity it's a Jewish nation state 01:20:00,709 --> 01:20:00,719 ethnicity it's a Jewish nation state 01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:03,350 ethnicity it's a Jewish nation state can't have that the fact that the it's a 01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:03,360 can't have that the fact that the it's a 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,669 can't have that the fact that the it's a Jewish nation state means by definition 01:20:05,669 --> 01:20:05,679 Jewish nation state means by definition 01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:08,709 Jewish nation state means by definition it is exclusive it is it is it is 01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:08,719 it is exclusive it is it is it is 01:20:08,719 --> 01:20:12,590 it is exclusive it is it is it is therefore vile okay now it is a Jewish 01:20:12,590 --> 01:20:12,600 therefore vile okay now it is a Jewish 01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,709 therefore vile okay now it is a Jewish nation state but you know the people who 01:20:14,709 --> 01:20:14,719 nation state but you know the people who 01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:16,229 nation state but you know the people who say that are saying that the Jews are 01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:16,239 say that are saying that the Jews are 01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:18,189 say that are saying that the Jews are not a nation these are people who 01:20:18,189 --> 01:20:18,199 not a nation these are people who 01:20:18,199 --> 01:20:20,189 not a nation these are people who basically don't realize that the Jews 01:20:20,189 --> 01:20:20,199 basically don't realize that the Jews 01:20:20,199 --> 01:20:22,070 basically don't realize that the Jews Jewish people is a nation it's not just 01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:22,080 Jewish people is a nation it's not just 01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:24,310 Jewish people is a nation it's not just a religion it's a people it's a people a 01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:24,320 a religion it's a people it's a people a 01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:27,229 a religion it's a people it's a people a nation under religion defined by in 01:20:27,229 --> 01:20:27,239 nation under religion defined by in 01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:30,510 nation under religion defined by in Antiquity by land um they don't realize 01:20:30,510 --> 01:20:30,520 Antiquity by land um they don't realize 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,910 Antiquity by land um they don't realize that you know it is 01:20:32,910 --> 01:20:32,920 that you know it is 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,910 that you know it is a although it's a je Jewish nation state 01:20:35,910 --> 01:20:35,920 a although it's a je Jewish nation state 01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,750 a although it's a je Jewish nation state you know 20% of the population is Arab 01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:38,760 you know 20% of the population is Arab 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,669 you know 20% of the population is Arab with full full civil rights um they 01:20:42,669 --> 01:20:42,679 with full full civil rights um they 01:20:42,679 --> 01:20:45,070 with full full civil rights um they don't understand that it's not white 01:20:45,070 --> 01:20:45,080 don't understand that it's not white 01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:47,790 don't understand that it's not white that most yeah you go to Israel you just 01:20:47,790 --> 01:20:47,800 that most yeah you go to Israel you just 01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,310 that most yeah you go to Israel you just see it's like multiracial most Jews are 01:20:51,310 --> 01:20:51,320 see it's like multiracial most Jews are 01:20:51,320 --> 01:20:53,149 see it's like multiracial most Jews are brown skinned because most of them came 01:20:53,149 --> 01:20:53,159 brown skinned because most of them came 01:20:53,159 --> 01:20:54,790 brown skinned because most of them came from Arab lands because they there was 01:20:54,790 --> 01:20:54,800 from Arab lands because they there was 01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:58,030 from Arab lands because they there was an ethnic cleansing of 850,000 01:20:58,030 --> 01:20:58,040 an ethnic cleansing of 850,000 01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,550 an ethnic cleansing of 850,000 Jews who were thrown out ethnically 01:21:00,550 --> 01:21:00,560 Jews who were thrown out ethnically 01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,110 Jews who were thrown out ethnically cleansed persecuted and thrown out after 01:21:04,110 --> 01:21:04,120 cleansed persecuted and thrown out after 01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,870 cleansed persecuted and thrown out after the state of Israel was created um and 01:21:06,870 --> 01:21:06,880 the state of Israel was created um and 01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,550 the state of Israel was created um and 20% are Arab and then a number of other 01:21:09,550 --> 01:21:09,560 20% are Arab and then a number of other 01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:12,350 20% are Arab and then a number of other people so the Maj the vast majority of 01:21:12,350 --> 01:21:12,360 people so the Maj the vast majority of 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,310 people so the Maj the vast majority of Israelis are brown or black skinned 01:21:14,310 --> 01:21:14,320 Israelis are brown or black skinned 01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:19,550 Israelis are brown or black skinned excuse me okay fine so nevertheless 01:21:19,550 --> 01:21:19,560 excuse me okay fine so nevertheless 01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,750 excuse me okay fine so nevertheless Israel offends against the idea that 01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:21,760 Israel offends against the idea that 01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:23,310 Israel offends against the idea that there shouldn't be a nation state 01:21:23,310 --> 01:21:23,320 there shouldn't be a nation state 01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:25,550 there shouldn't be a nation state defined by ethnicity that's a terrible 01:21:25,550 --> 01:21:25,560 defined by ethnicity that's a terrible 01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:29,030 defined by ethnicity that's a terrible thing and the conservative party coming 01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:29,040 thing and the conservative party coming 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:30,430 thing and the conservative party coming back to your 01:21:30,430 --> 01:21:30,440 back to your 01:21:30,440 --> 01:21:32,750 back to your question I don't think the conservative 01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:32,760 question I don't think the conservative 01:21:32,760 --> 01:21:34,310 question I don't think the conservative party as a whole thinks very much about 01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:34,320 party as a whole thinks very much about 01:21:34,320 --> 01:21:36,550 party as a whole thinks very much about Israel well my my bigger concern isn't 01:21:36,550 --> 01:21:36,560 Israel well my my bigger concern isn't 01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,669 Israel well my my bigger concern isn't necessarily their approach to Israel 01:21:38,669 --> 01:21:38,679 necessarily their approach to Israel 01:21:38,679 --> 01:21:41,470 necessarily their approach to Israel though I am concerned it's more that yes 01:21:41,470 --> 01:21:41,480 though I am concerned it's more that yes 01:21:41,480 --> 01:21:43,030 though I am concerned it's more that yes and and I tell you why it's actually is 01:21:43,030 --> 01:21:43,040 and and I tell you why it's actually is 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,550 and and I tell you why it's actually is because Israelis have a great concept of 01:21:45,550 --> 01:21:45,560 because Israelis have a great concept of 01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,110 because Israelis have a great concept of nationhood and so and so because of that 01:21:48,110 --> 01:21:48,120 nationhood and so and so because of that 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:50,149 nationhood and so and so because of that self-confidence I'm not worried about 01:21:50,149 --> 01:21:50,159 self-confidence I'm not worried about 01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:52,910 self-confidence I'm not worried about that my bigger concern is that Britain 01:21:52,910 --> 01:21:52,920 that my bigger concern is that Britain 01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,229 that my bigger concern is that Britain yes do not correct and so what does that 01:21:55,229 --> 01:21:55,239 yes do not correct and so what does that 01:21:55,239 --> 01:21:56,950 yes do not correct and so what does that mean for the future do that's why 01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:56,960 mean for the future do that's why 01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,270 mean for the future do that's why they're ready for brexit right right 01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:59,280 they're ready for brexit right right 01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,390 they're ready for brexit right right okay and the much of the shock of the of 01:22:01,390 --> 01:22:01,400 okay and the much of the shock of the of 01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:02,790 okay and the much of the shock of the of the very significant part of the 01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:02,800 the very significant part of the 01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:05,870 the very significant part of the conservative party which regards that as 01:22:05,870 --> 01:22:05,880 conservative party which regards that as 01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,790 conservative party which regards that as as evidence of extremism or possibly 01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:08,800 as evidence of extremism or possibly 01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,750 as evidence of extremism or possibly Insanity that's where the conservative 01:22:10,750 --> 01:22:10,760 Insanity that's where the conservative 01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:12,350 Insanity that's where the conservative party has got to it doesn't understand 01:22:12,350 --> 01:22:12,360 party has got to it doesn't understand 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:13,950 party has got to it doesn't understand any it's not just a conservative party 01:22:13,950 --> 01:22:13,960 any it's not just a conservative party 01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,870 any it's not just a conservative party it's all major parties libd labor and 01:22:15,870 --> 01:22:15,880 it's all major parties libd labor and 01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:17,830 it's all major parties libd labor and conservatives well put them to one side 01:22:17,830 --> 01:22:17,840 conservatives well put them to one side 01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,350 conservatives well put them to one side because they are you know Progressive 01:22:20,350 --> 01:22:20,360 because they are you know Progressive 01:22:20,360 --> 01:22:22,470 because they are you know Progressive politics has bought in completely to 01:22:22,470 --> 01:22:22,480 politics has bought in completely to 01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:24,910 politics has bought in completely to this nation universalism MH is where 01:22:24,910 --> 01:22:24,920 this nation universalism MH is where 01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,149 this nation universalism MH is where we've been 01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:26,159 we've been 01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:28,430 we've been discussing but it's in the conservative 01:22:28,430 --> 01:22:28,440 discussing but it's in the conservative 01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:31,070 discussing but it's in the conservative party too so what are they conserving 01:22:31,070 --> 01:22:31,080 party too so what are they conserving 01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:33,189 party too so what are they conserving they're not conserving anything that's 01:22:33,189 --> 01:22:33,199 they're not conserving anything that's 01:22:33,199 --> 01:22:35,550 they're not conserving anything that's that's their essential problem in order 01:22:35,550 --> 01:22:35,560 that's their essential problem in order 01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:37,350 that's their essential problem in order to conserve they have to 01:22:37,350 --> 01:22:37,360 to conserve they have to 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,030 to conserve they have to conserve you know 01:22:40,030 --> 01:22:40,040 conserve you know 01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:42,390 conserve you know conservatism seems to me conservatism is 01:22:42,390 --> 01:22:42,400 conservatism seems to me conservatism is 01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:45,070 conservatism seems to me conservatism is more a state of mind or an approach to 01:22:45,070 --> 01:22:45,080 more a state of mind or an approach to 01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:46,950 more a state of mind or an approach to life than anything else it's not an 01:22:46,950 --> 01:22:46,960 life than anything else it's not an 01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:48,470 life than anything else it's not an ideology per 01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:48,480 ideology per 01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:51,990 ideology per se conservatism is 01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:52,000 se conservatism is 01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:55,990 se conservatism is about literally conserving what is most 01:22:55,990 --> 01:22:56,000 about literally conserving what is most 01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:00,470 about literally conserving what is most valuable uh in a society or a culture 01:23:00,470 --> 01:23:00,480 valuable uh in a society or a culture 01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:03,470 valuable uh in a society or a culture and the conservative party as a whole 01:23:03,470 --> 01:23:03,480 and the conservative party as a whole 01:23:03,480 --> 01:23:06,110 and the conservative party as a whole lost the plot when it failed to 01:23:06,110 --> 01:23:06,120 lost the plot when it failed to 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,750 lost the plot when it failed to understand that what is most valuable 01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:07,760 understand that what is most valuable 01:23:07,760 --> 01:23:10,470 understand that what is most valuable about the nation of Britain is the 01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:10,480 about the nation of Britain is the 01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:13,750 about the nation of Britain is the nation and that it has to preserve and 01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:13,760 nation and that it has to preserve and 01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:15,750 nation and that it has to preserve and conserve the things that make it a 01:23:15,750 --> 01:23:15,760 conserve the things that make it a 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,070 conserve the things that make it a nation which 01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:18,080 nation which 01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:22,750 nation which mean the Traditions the laws uh the the 01:23:22,750 --> 01:23:22,760 mean the Traditions the laws uh the the 01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:26,790 mean the Traditions the laws uh the the the way of life which everybody shares 01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:26,800 the way of life which everybody shares 01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:29,870 the way of life which everybody shares to a large extent and which gives them 01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:29,880 to a large extent and which gives them 01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:33,430 to a large extent and which gives them all a common sense of marching together 01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:33,440 all a common sense of marching together 01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:34,590 all a common sense of marching together with a common 01:23:34,590 --> 01:23:34,600 with a common 01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,229 with a common purpose um and that isn't something to 01:23:38,229 --> 01:23:38,239 purpose um and that isn't something to 01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:40,550 purpose um and that isn't something to be taken for granted it's been eroded 01:23:40,550 --> 01:23:40,560 be taken for granted it's been eroded 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,709 be taken for granted it's been eroded being eroded by the attacks on the core 01:23:43,709 --> 01:23:43,719 being eroded by the attacks on the core 01:23:43,719 --> 01:23:46,229 being eroded by the attacks on the core beliefs uh of Western 01:23:46,229 --> 01:23:46,239 beliefs uh of Western 01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:48,590 beliefs uh of Western Civilization um it's been attacked by 01:23:48,590 --> 01:23:48,600 Civilization um it's been attacked by 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:50,790 Civilization um it's been attacked by the growth of universalism and all those 01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:50,800 the growth of universalism and all those 01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:52,350 the growth of universalism and all those things now the the Tories I mean they're 01:23:52,350 --> 01:23:52,360 things now the the Tories I mean they're 01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:53,590 things now the the Tories I mean they're not for nothing where they call the 01:23:53,590 --> 01:23:53,600 not for nothing where they call the 01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:55,629 not for nothing where they call the stupid party they really really really 01:23:55,629 --> 01:23:55,639 stupid party they really really really 01:23:55,639 --> 01:23:58,990 stupid party they really really really are stupid and I remember thinking at 01:23:58,990 --> 01:23:59,000 are stupid and I remember thinking at 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:03,149 are stupid and I remember thinking at the time you know I mean the Berlin Wall 01:24:03,149 --> 01:24:03,159 the time you know I mean the Berlin Wall 01:24:03,159 --> 01:24:07,629 the time you know I mean the Berlin Wall fell Soviet communism was no more hurrah 01:24:07,629 --> 01:24:07,639 fell Soviet communism was no more hurrah 01:24:07,639 --> 01:24:09,990 fell Soviet communism was no more hurrah for sure and I remember the conservative 01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:10,000 for sure and I remember the conservative 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:14,189 for sure and I remember the conservative party saying huh what do we do now our 01:24:14,189 --> 01:24:14,199 party saying huh what do we do now our 01:24:14,199 --> 01:24:15,550 party saying huh what do we do now our fox has been 01:24:15,550 --> 01:24:15,560 fox has been 01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,750 fox has been shot and what do we do and here is this 01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:18,760 shot and what do we do and here is this 01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,430 shot and what do we do and here is this guy Blair and he's like on our turf he's 01:24:21,430 --> 01:24:21,440 guy Blair and he's like on our turf he's 01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:24,470 guy Blair and he's like on our turf he's really a conservative I mean where are 01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:24,480 really a conservative I mean where are 01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:26,629 really a conservative I mean where are we going to go what's our cause and I 01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:26,639 we going to go what's our cause and I 01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:29,550 we going to go what's our cause and I remember them saying it's quite clear 01:24:29,550 --> 01:24:29,560 remember them saying it's quite clear 01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:34,430 remember them saying it's quite clear our cause now is liberty and I ever 01:24:34,430 --> 01:24:34,440 our cause now is liberty and I ever 01:24:34,440 --> 01:24:38,430 our cause now is liberty and I ever thinking oh my goodness are they ever 01:24:38,430 --> 01:24:38,440 thinking oh my goodness are they ever 01:24:38,440 --> 01:24:44,510 thinking oh my goodness are they ever wrong because the left was propounding 01:24:44,510 --> 01:24:44,520 wrong because the left was propounding 01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,189 wrong because the left was propounding individualism Liberty for the individual 01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:47,199 individualism Liberty for the individual 01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:48,870 individualism Liberty for the individual in the social 01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:48,880 in the social 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:53,270 in the social sphere My Lifestyle my truth is mine and 01:24:53,270 --> 01:24:53,280 sphere My Lifestyle my truth is mine and 01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:55,870 sphere My Lifestyle my truth is mine and it's no worse or better than your truth 01:24:55,870 --> 01:24:55,880 it's no worse or better than your truth 01:24:55,880 --> 01:24:57,950 it's no worse or better than your truth your lifestyle right that was the left 01:24:57,950 --> 01:24:57,960 your lifestyle right that was the left 01:24:57,960 --> 01:25:01,550 your lifestyle right that was the left Liberty individual choice in 01:25:01,550 --> 01:25:01,560 Liberty individual choice in 01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,030 Liberty individual choice in everything and here were the 01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:03,040 everything and here were the 01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:05,070 everything and here were the conservatives saying individual Choice 01:25:05,070 --> 01:25:05,080 conservatives saying individual Choice 01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,229 conservatives saying individual Choice Liberty and the conservatives expressed 01:25:07,229 --> 01:25:07,239 Liberty and the conservatives expressed 01:25:07,239 --> 01:25:09,310 Liberty and the conservatives expressed it in economics they could only think in 01:25:09,310 --> 01:25:09,320 it in economics they could only think in 01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:10,510 it in economics they could only think in terms of economics they only think in 01:25:10,510 --> 01:25:10,520 terms of economics they only think in 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,790 terms of economics they only think in terms of money so everything was the 01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:12,800 terms of money so everything was the 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,109 terms of money so everything was the market and you know it was said of Mrs 01:25:16,109 --> 01:25:16,119 market and you know it was said of Mrs 01:25:16,119 --> 01:25:18,790 market and you know it was said of Mrs Stater she thought if everything in 01:25:18,790 --> 01:25:18,800 Stater she thought if everything in 01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,550 Stater she thought if everything in Britain was run like Marx and Spencer 01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:20,560 Britain was run like Marx and Spencer 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,990 Britain was run like Marx and Spencer everything will be absolutely terrific 01:25:22,990 --> 01:25:23,000 everything will be absolutely terrific 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:25,910 everything will be absolutely terrific no sense of tradition tradition she 01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:25,920 no sense of tradition tradition she 01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:28,229 no sense of tradition tradition she thought was a kind of conspiracy against 01:25:28,229 --> 01:25:28,239 thought was a kind of conspiracy against 01:25:28,239 --> 01:25:30,669 thought was a kind of conspiracy against the market everything was the market 01:25:30,669 --> 01:25:30,679 the market everything was the market 01:25:30,679 --> 01:25:32,350 the market everything was the market everything was the individual everything 01:25:32,350 --> 01:25:32,360 everything was the individual everything 01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:35,750 everything was the individual everything was Freedom wrong wrong wrong that's 01:25:35,750 --> 01:25:35,760 was Freedom wrong wrong wrong that's 01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:37,750 was Freedom wrong wrong wrong that's where the conservatives went completely 01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:37,760 where the conservatives went completely 01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,709 where the conservatives went completely wrong they failed to understand you had 01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:40,719 wrong they failed to understand you had 01:25:40,719 --> 01:25:44,470 wrong they failed to understand you had to conserve the traditions and codes and 01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:44,480 to conserve the traditions and codes and 01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:47,470 to conserve the traditions and codes and borders of the country because the 01:25:47,470 --> 01:25:47,480 borders of the country because the 01:25:47,480 --> 01:25:49,470 borders of the country because the nation is what you had to conserve and 01:25:49,470 --> 01:25:49,480 nation is what you had to conserve and 01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:52,070 nation is what you had to conserve and the nation was under assault they never 01:25:52,070 --> 01:25:52,080 the nation was under assault they never 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,910 the nation was under assault they never understood it many of them still don't 01:25:54,910 --> 01:25:54,920 understood it many of them still don't 01:25:54,920 --> 01:25:56,149 understood it many of them still don't understand it it seemed like for One 01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:56,159 understand it it seemed like for One 01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:59,830 understand it it seemed like for One Moment In 2019 when Boris in the won 01:25:59,830 --> 01:25:59,840 Moment In 2019 when Boris in the won 01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:01,470 Moment In 2019 when Boris in the won that election it seemed like maybe they 01:26:01,470 --> 01:26:01,480 that election it seemed like maybe they 01:26:01,480 --> 01:26:03,189 that election it seemed like maybe they understood what you talking about now no 01:26:03,189 --> 01:26:03,199 understood what you talking about now no 01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:04,470 understood what you talking about now no they understood that Boris was going to 01:26:04,470 --> 01:26:04,480 they understood that Boris was going to 01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:06,990 they understood that Boris was going to win them elections but why did Boris win 01:26:06,990 --> 01:26:07,000 win them elections but why did Boris win 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,030 win them elections but why did Boris win that election Boris spoke to the people 01:26:10,030 --> 01:26:10,040 that election Boris spoke to the people 01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:11,709 that election Boris spoke to the people Boris spoke to the people who are 01:26:11,709 --> 01:26:11,719 Boris spoke to the people who are 01:26:11,719 --> 01:26:14,149 Boris spoke to the people who are basically conservative of the small sea 01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:14,159 basically conservative of the small sea 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:16,189 basically conservative of the small sea May many of whom voted labor the famous 01:26:16,189 --> 01:26:16,199 May many of whom voted labor the famous 01:26:16,199 --> 01:26:17,950 May many of whom voted labor the famous red War but they're basically 01:26:17,950 --> 01:26:17,960 red War but they're basically 01:26:17,960 --> 01:26:21,189 red War but they're basically conservative they want to conserve their 01:26:21,189 --> 01:26:21,199 conservative they want to conserve their 01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:23,629 conservative they want to conserve their Traditions their way of life their 01:26:23,629 --> 01:26:23,639 Traditions their way of life their 01:26:23,639 --> 01:26:26,030 Traditions their way of life their culture their neighborhood that their 01:26:26,030 --> 01:26:26,040 culture their neighborhood that their 01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,189 culture their neighborhood that their attachments they're attached these are 01:26:28,189 --> 01:26:28,199 attachments they're attached these are 01:26:28,199 --> 01:26:32,070 attachments they're attached these are people who are attached profoundly to 01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:32,080 people who are attached profoundly to 01:26:32,080 --> 01:26:34,629 people who are attached profoundly to their locality their family their 01:26:34,629 --> 01:26:34,639 their locality their family their 01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:37,109 their locality their family their locality and the nation whereas 01:26:37,109 --> 01:26:37,119 locality and the nation whereas 01:26:37,119 --> 01:26:40,030 locality and the nation whereas universalists are in David goodhart's 01:26:40,030 --> 01:26:40,040 universalists are in David goodhart's 01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,629 universalists are in David goodhart's Immortal phrase citizens of everywhere 01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:42,639 Immortal phrase citizens of everywhere 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:45,390 Immortal phrase citizens of everywhere or citizens of nowhere there they can be 01:26:45,390 --> 01:26:45,400 or citizens of nowhere there they can be 01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,550 or citizens of nowhere there they can be anywhere Boris understood this he 01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:48,560 anywhere Boris understood this he 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,510 anywhere Boris understood this he connected with those people both in the 01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:51,520 connected with those people both in the 01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:55,189 connected with those people both in the red wall and in the sh or conservative 01:26:55,189 --> 01:26:55,199 red wall and in the sh or conservative 01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:58,109 red wall and in the sh or conservative areas but who got who get this and then 01:26:58,109 --> 01:26:58,119 areas but who got who get this and then 01:26:58,119 --> 01:27:01,470 areas but who got who get this and then you know we all saw what happened uh he 01:27:01,470 --> 01:27:01,480 you know we all saw what happened uh he 01:27:01,480 --> 01:27:04,310 you know we all saw what happened uh he was seen to have betrayed all that um he 01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:04,320 was seen to have betrayed all that um he 01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:06,950 was seen to have betrayed all that um he didn't really mean it he was himself you 01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:06,960 didn't really mean it he was himself you 01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,070 didn't really mean it he was himself you know he he blew himself up okay so 01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:10,080 know he he blew himself up okay so 01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:12,550 know he he blew himself up okay so people were very disillusioned so now so 01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:12,560 people were very disillusioned so now so 01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:15,109 people were very disillusioned so now so now if they're that kind of person 01:27:15,109 --> 01:27:15,119 now if they're that kind of person 01:27:15,119 --> 01:27:16,590 now if they're that kind of person whether in the red wall or not the red 01:27:16,590 --> 01:27:16,600 whether in the red wall or not the red 01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:18,870 whether in the red wall or not the red wall they're looking around and what do 01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:18,880 wall they're looking around and what do 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,870 wall they're looking around and what do they see they see David Cameron prancing 01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:20,880 they see they see David Cameron prancing 01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:23,950 they see they see David Cameron prancing around with his Universalist message 01:27:23,950 --> 01:27:23,960 around with his Universalist message 01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,310 around with his Universalist message they rishy sunak who kind 01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:26,320 they rishy sunak who kind 01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,030 they rishy sunak who kind of he's a bean counter he's very 01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:29,040 of he's a bean counter he's very 01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:31,870 of he's a bean counter he's very efficient he's very clever and uh what 01:27:31,870 --> 01:27:31,880 efficient he's very clever and uh what 01:27:31,880 --> 01:27:33,870 efficient he's very clever and uh what does he actually stand for what does he 01:27:33,870 --> 01:27:33,880 does he actually stand for what does he 01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:35,950 does he actually stand for what does he actually want what's his vision of of of 01:27:35,950 --> 01:27:35,960 actually want what's his vision of of of 01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:37,510 actually want what's his vision of of of of the of the good Society what's his 01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:37,520 of the of the good Society what's his 01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:40,669 of the of the good Society what's his vision of Britain no one knows is he is 01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:40,679 vision of Britain no one knows is he is 01:27:40,679 --> 01:27:43,109 vision of Britain no one knows is he is he a Universalist is he a national state 01:27:43,109 --> 01:27:43,119 he a Universalist is he a national state 01:27:43,119 --> 01:27:45,990 he a Universalist is he a national state man no one knows okay so there's a kind 01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:46,000 man no one knows okay so there's a kind 01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:47,070 man no one knows okay so there's a kind of 01:27:47,070 --> 01:27:47,080 of 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:48,750 of vacuum 01:27:48,750 --> 01:27:48,760 vacuum 01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,350 vacuum and the cultural mood music is the 01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:51,360 and the cultural mood music is the 01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:53,629 and the cultural mood music is the people who voted for brexit or the the 01:27:53,629 --> 01:27:53,639 people who voted for brexit or the the 01:27:53,639 --> 01:27:55,510 people who voted for brexit or the the the politician who supported brexit 01:27:55,510 --> 01:27:55,520 the politician who supported brexit 01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:56,870 the politician who supported brexit they're all basically mad they're off 01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:56,880 they're all basically mad they're off 01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,950 they're all basically mad they're off the wall there Nigel farage they're 01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:58,960 the wall there Nigel farage they're 01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:01,629 the wall there Nigel farage they're terrible it's it's Victor Orban on on 01:28:01,629 --> 01:28:01,639 terrible it's it's Victor Orban on on 01:28:01,639 --> 01:28:04,310 terrible it's it's Victor Orban on on steroids it's it's it's xenophobia it's 01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:04,320 steroids it's it's it's xenophobia it's 01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:06,390 steroids it's it's it's xenophobia it's it's terrible things they're all hearing 01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:06,400 it's terrible things they're all hearing 01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,910 it's terrible things they're all hearing this and then they look to labor and 01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:09,920 this and then they look to labor and 01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,430 this and then they look to labor and they see somebody who's a Universalist 01:28:12,430 --> 01:28:12,440 they see somebody who's a Universalist 01:28:12,440 --> 01:28:14,390 they see somebody who's a Universalist who is pretending not to be and they 01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:14,400 who is pretending not to be and they 01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,990 who is pretending not to be and they think he's just pretending I don't trust 01:28:16,990 --> 01:28:17,000 think he's just pretending I don't trust 01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,030 think he's just pretending I don't trust him for a 01:28:18,030 --> 01:28:18,040 him for a 01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:21,430 him for a moment where do they go I don't yeah 01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:21,440 moment where do they go I don't yeah 01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:23,149 moment where do they go I don't yeah yeah they're not voting for him they 01:28:23,149 --> 01:28:23,159 yeah they're not voting for him they 01:28:23,159 --> 01:28:26,629 yeah they're not voting for him they don't they've got nowhere go yeah reform 01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:26,639 don't they've got nowhere go yeah reform 01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:29,189 don't they've got nowhere go yeah reform disenfranchised going okay so reform I 01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:29,199 disenfranchised going okay so reform I 01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:30,709 disenfranchised going okay so reform I does anyone who really take reform 01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:30,719 does anyone who really take reform 01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:33,310 does anyone who really take reform seriously I don't I don't I don't think 01:28:33,310 --> 01:28:33,320 seriously I don't I don't I don't think 01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:36,950 seriously I don't I don't I don't think he got what it takes 01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:36,960 he got what it takes 01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:40,750 he got what it takes um there's people who have small C 01:28:40,750 --> 01:28:40,760 um there's people who have small C 01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:43,189 um there's people who have small C conservative views based on their their 01:28:43,189 --> 01:28:43,199 conservative views based on their their 01:28:43,199 --> 01:28:45,470 conservative views based on their their desire their deep desire to live in a 01:28:45,470 --> 01:28:45,480 desire their deep desire to live in a 01:28:45,480 --> 01:28:48,189 desire their deep desire to live in a country they can call home which they 01:28:48,189 --> 01:28:48,199 country they can call home which they 01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:51,070 country they can call home which they recognize they recognize it because they 01:28:51,070 --> 01:28:51,080 recognize they recognize it because they 01:28:51,080 --> 01:28:53,390 recognize they recognize it because they recognize the traditions and the culture 01:28:53,390 --> 01:28:53,400 recognize the traditions and the culture 01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,590 recognize the traditions and the culture and the values 01:28:54,590 --> 01:28:54,600 and the values 01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:57,709 and the values and the laws that are particular to 01:28:57,709 --> 01:28:57,719 and the laws that are particular to 01:28:57,719 --> 01:29:00,229 and the laws that are particular to Britain and the ability to not the 01:29:00,229 --> 01:29:00,239 Britain and the ability to not the 01:29:00,239 --> 01:29:03,990 Britain and the ability to not the ability the desire to defend itself 01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:04,000 ability the desire to defend itself 01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,990 ability the desire to defend itself through borders that are policed they 01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:06,000 through borders that are policed they 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,830 through borders that are policed they see all that's just gone and they're 01:29:08,830 --> 01:29:08,840 see all that's just gone and they're 01:29:08,840 --> 01:29:11,430 see all that's just gone and they're desperate where do they go I can't 01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:11,440 desperate where do they go I can't 01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:13,830 desperate where do they go I can't answer that no one can answer that you 01:29:13,830 --> 01:29:13,840 answer that no one can answer that you 01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:15,390 answer that no one can answer that you know I mean no one knows how this is 01:29:15,390 --> 01:29:15,400 know I mean no one knows how this is 01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,350 know I mean no one knows how this is going to work so by default they may 01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:17,360 going to work so by default they may 01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,510 going to work so by default they may just I know they may sit at home in 01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:19,520 just I know they may sit at home in 01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:23,310 just I know they may sit at home in which case labor wins or they may vote 01:29:23,310 --> 01:29:23,320 which case labor wins or they may vote 01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,629 which case labor wins or they may vote for all kinds of small parties in which 01:29:25,629 --> 01:29:25,639 for all kinds of small parties in which 01:29:25,639 --> 01:29:27,590 for all kinds of small parties in which case who knows what's going to happen 01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:27,600 case who knows what's going to happen 01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:28,870 case who knows what's going to happen we're talking about the political there 01:29:28,870 --> 01:29:28,880 we're talking about the political there 01:29:28,880 --> 01:29:30,189 we're talking about the political there which is where I pushed the conversation 01:29:30,189 --> 01:29:30,199 which is where I pushed the conversation 01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:31,950 which is where I pushed the conversation but I but I'm also curious not just 01:29:31,950 --> 01:29:31,960 but I but I'm also curious not just 01:29:31,960 --> 01:29:33,709 but I but I'm also curious not just about the political side just about the 01:29:33,709 --> 01:29:33,719 about the political side just about the 01:29:33,719 --> 01:29:36,350 about the political side just about the cultural side of Britain that no one 01:29:36,350 --> 01:29:36,360 cultural side of Britain that no one 01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:39,830 cultural side of Britain that no one anyone like yourself who stands up for 01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:39,840 anyone like yourself who stands up for 01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:43,229 anyone like yourself who stands up for nation statism or or or British values 01:29:43,229 --> 01:29:43,239 nation statism or or or British values 01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:45,950 nation statism or or or British values is shut down is called all sorts of 01:29:45,950 --> 01:29:45,960 is shut down is called all sorts of 01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,390 is shut down is called all sorts of ridiculous things so we have this 01:29:48,390 --> 01:29:48,400 ridiculous things so we have this 01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:50,750 ridiculous things so we have this culture where still and we've talked 01:29:50,750 --> 01:29:50,760 culture where still and we've talked 01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:52,149 culture where still and we've talked about it several throughout this 01:29:52,149 --> 01:29:52,159 about it several throughout this 01:29:52,159 --> 01:29:54,550 about it several throughout this conversation where in your pegged down 01:29:54,550 --> 01:29:54,560 conversation where in your pegged down 01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:56,430 conversation where in your pegged down if you if you're patriotic and and 01:29:56,430 --> 01:29:56,440 if you if you're patriotic and and 01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:59,590 if you if you're patriotic and and written off and it's it's so for with 01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:59,600 written off and it's it's so for with 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,149 written off and it's it's so for with that in mind are you pessimistic or 01:30:01,149 --> 01:30:01,159 that in mind are you pessimistic or 01:30:01,159 --> 01:30:02,950 that in mind are you pessimistic or optimistic about the future if I was 01:30:02,950 --> 01:30:02,960 optimistic about the future if I was 01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,229 optimistic about the future if I was pessimistic I wouldn't be continuing to 01:30:05,229 --> 01:30:05,239 pessimistic I wouldn't be continuing to 01:30:05,239 --> 01:30:08,950 pessimistic I wouldn't be continuing to write um I think everything is to play 01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:08,960 write um I think everything is to play 01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:12,030 write um I think everything is to play for uh do I think that 01:30:12,030 --> 01:30:12,040 for uh do I think that 01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:13,910 for uh do I think that Britain and the West are going to 01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:13,920 Britain and the West are going to 01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:17,350 Britain and the West are going to survive as as what they once were I 01:30:17,350 --> 01:30:17,360 survive as as what they once were I 01:30:17,360 --> 01:30:20,990 survive as as what they once were I can't tell you that I I have no idea um 01:30:20,990 --> 01:30:21,000 can't tell you that I I have no idea um 01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,470 can't tell you that I I have no idea um I know that if we stop fighting for that 01:30:23,470 --> 01:30:23,480 I know that if we stop fighting for that 01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:26,470 I know that if we stop fighting for that then it is over then it is over we have 01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:26,480 then it is over then it is over we have 01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:28,910 then it is over then it is over we have to fight we have to we have to behave as 01:30:28,910 --> 01:30:28,920 to fight we have to we have to behave as 01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:30,870 to fight we have to we have to behave as if everything is to play for and I 01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:30,880 if everything is to play for and I 01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:32,109 if everything is to play for and I believe actually everything is to play 01:30:32,109 --> 01:30:32,119 believe actually everything is to play 01:30:32,119 --> 01:30:35,470 believe actually everything is to play for I believe you know there are 01:30:35,470 --> 01:30:35,480 for I believe you know there are 01:30:35,480 --> 01:30:38,430 for I believe you know there are cultures in history 01:30:38,430 --> 01:30:38,440 cultures in history 01:30:38,440 --> 01:30:43,350 cultures in history where they have died Rome 01:30:43,350 --> 01:30:43,360 where they have died Rome 01:30:43,360 --> 01:30:46,430 where they have died Rome Greece uh so it happens great 01:30:46,430 --> 01:30:46,440 Greece uh so it happens great 01:30:46,440 --> 01:30:48,390 Greece uh so it happens great civilizations that you think will go on 01:30:48,390 --> 01:30:48,400 civilizations that you think will go on 01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:50,189 civilizations that you think will go on forever 01:30:50,189 --> 01:30:50,199 forever 01:30:50,199 --> 01:30:53,669 forever disappear I also think about the Louch 01:30:53,669 --> 01:30:53,679 disappear I also think about the Louch 01:30:53,679 --> 01:30:54,430 disappear I also think about the Louch and 01:30:54,430 --> 01:30:54,440 and 01:30:54,440 --> 01:30:58,870 and wild 18th century in Britain and if we 01:30:58,870 --> 01:30:58,880 wild 18th century in Britain and if we 01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,750 wild 18th century in Britain and if we you and I were sitting here in the 18th 01:31:01,750 --> 01:31:01,760 you and I were sitting here in the 18th 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:05,790 you and I were sitting here in the 18th century um in a coffee shop we will be 01:31:05,790 --> 01:31:05,800 century um in a coffee shop we will be 01:31:05,800 --> 01:31:07,430 century um in a coffee shop we will be saying to each other it's over it's 01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:07,440 saying to each other it's over it's 01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:11,109 saying to each other it's over it's finished look hugarian scenes outside or 01:31:11,109 --> 01:31:11,119 finished look hugarian scenes outside or 01:31:11,119 --> 01:31:13,390 finished look hugarian scenes outside or indeed the 17th century women right 01:31:13,390 --> 01:31:13,400 indeed the 17th century women right 01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,950 indeed the 17th century women right women in the gutter drunk gin 01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:16,960 women in the gutter drunk gin 01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:20,189 women in the gutter drunk gin illegitimacy marriage's gone uh it's 01:31:20,189 --> 01:31:20,199 illegitimacy marriage's gone uh it's 01:31:20,199 --> 01:31:22,750 illegitimacy marriage's gone uh it's over we're finished and then it became 01:31:22,750 --> 01:31:22,760 over we're finished and then it became 01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:26,709 over we're finished and then it became the Victorian period hello it happens it 01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:26,719 the Victorian period hello it happens it 01:31:26,719 --> 01:31:29,550 the Victorian period hello it happens it happens people pull back from the cliff 01:31:29,550 --> 01:31:29,560 happens people pull back from the cliff 01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:32,189 happens people pull back from the cliff now I think with the right 01:31:32,189 --> 01:31:32,199 now I think with the right 01:31:32,199 --> 01:31:34,990 now I think with the right leadership this country can pull back 01:31:34,990 --> 01:31:35,000 leadership this country can pull back 01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:37,470 leadership this country can pull back from the cliff so can the 01:31:37,470 --> 01:31:37,480 from the cliff so can the 01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:39,990 from the cliff so can the West there is no leadership that I can 01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:40,000 West there is no leadership that I can 01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,550 West there is no leadership that I can see at the moment but in principle with 01:31:42,550 --> 01:31:42,560 see at the moment but in principle with 01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,510 see at the moment but in principle with the right leaders the thing can be 01:31:44,510 --> 01:31:44,520 the right leaders the thing can be 01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,350 the right leaders the thing can be turned around quite quickly quite 01:31:47,350 --> 01:31:47,360 turned around quite quickly quite 01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:50,149 turned around quite quickly quite quickly it needs somebody by by by a 01:31:50,149 --> 01:31:50,159 quickly it needs somebody by by by a 01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:51,870 quickly it needs somebody by by by a leader I mean somebody who understands 01:31:51,870 --> 01:31:51,880 leader I mean somebody who understands 01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:52,910 leader I mean somebody who understands what we've just what I've just been 01:31:52,910 --> 01:31:52,920 what we've just what I've just been 01:31:52,920 --> 01:31:55,629 what we've just what I've just been talking about I someone agre agrees with 01:31:55,629 --> 01:31:55,639 talking about I someone agre agrees with 01:31:55,639 --> 01:31:59,830 talking about I someone agre agrees with me fine okay fine Mel why aren't you 01:31:59,830 --> 01:31:59,840 me fine okay fine Mel why aren't you 01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:01,750 me fine okay fine Mel why aren't you standing up why aren't you running for 01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:01,760 standing up why aren't you running for 01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:04,270 standing up why aren't you running for right right put aside my uh monomania 01:32:04,270 --> 01:32:04,280 right right put aside my uh monomania 01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:05,550 right right put aside my uh monomania for a 01:32:05,550 --> 01:32:05,560 for a 01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:09,229 for a moment um but somebody who really does 01:32:09,229 --> 01:32:09,239 moment um but somebody who really does 01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:12,629 moment um but somebody who really does get it and who doesn't you know Lurch 01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:12,639 get it and who doesn't you know Lurch 01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:15,669 get it and who doesn't you know Lurch into you know authoritarianism on the 01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:15,679 into you know authoritarianism on the 01:32:15,679 --> 01:32:17,870 into you know authoritarianism on the other side uh you know doesn't go over 01:32:17,870 --> 01:32:17,880 other side uh you know doesn't go over 01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:19,750 other side uh you know doesn't go over over to the to the other side and become 01:32:19,750 --> 01:32:19,760 over to the to the other side and become 01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:24,350 over to the to the other side and become someone who negates um uh uh a decent 01:32:24,350 --> 01:32:24,360 someone who negates um uh uh a decent 01:32:24,360 --> 01:32:26,590 someone who negates um uh uh a decent Society but somebody who understands 01:32:26,590 --> 01:32:26,600 Society but somebody who understands 01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:28,390 Society but somebody who understands what it takes so you know you've got to 01:32:28,390 --> 01:32:28,400 what it takes so you know you've got to 01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:30,550 what it takes so you know you've got to transform the education system you've 01:32:30,550 --> 01:32:30,560 transform the education system you've 01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,070 transform the education system you've got to reinen divize traditional 01:32:33,070 --> 01:32:33,080 got to reinen divize traditional 01:32:33,080 --> 01:32:35,950 got to reinen divize traditional marriage hello mother father children 01:32:35,950 --> 01:32:35,960 marriage hello mother father children 01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:37,790 marriage hello mother father children sorry okay doesn't mean you're going to 01:32:37,790 --> 01:32:37,800 sorry okay doesn't mean you're going to 01:32:37,800 --> 01:32:40,070 sorry okay doesn't mean you're going to be beasty to everybody else no it just 01:32:40,070 --> 01:32:40,080 be beasty to everybody else no it just 01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:42,350 be beasty to everybody else no it just means you got to say this is the best 01:32:42,350 --> 01:32:42,360 means you got to say this is the best 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,189 means you got to say this is the best way we can ever devise of people being 01:32:45,189 --> 01:32:45,199 way we can ever devise of people being 01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:47,790 way we can ever devise of people being happy and fulfilled and emotionally 01:32:47,790 --> 01:32:47,800 happy and fulfilled and emotionally 01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:50,750 happy and fulfilled and emotionally healthy so excuse me that is the best 01:32:50,750 --> 01:32:50,760 healthy so excuse me that is the best 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:53,070 healthy so excuse me that is the best way and you know we've got to be nice to 01:32:53,070 --> 01:32:53,080 way and you know we've got to be nice to 01:32:53,080 --> 01:32:55,390 way and you know we've got to be nice to everybody else but we've got to 01:32:55,390 --> 01:32:55,400 everybody else but we've got to 01:32:55,400 --> 01:32:58,830 everybody else but we've got to prioritize this because otherwise we're 01:32:58,830 --> 01:32:58,840 prioritize this because otherwise we're 01:32:58,840 --> 01:33:02,510 prioritize this because otherwise we're collectively dead Okay birth rate this 01:33:02,510 --> 01:33:02,520 collectively dead Okay birth rate this 01:33:02,520 --> 01:33:05,430 collectively dead Okay birth rate this country is literally dying like most 01:33:05,430 --> 01:33:05,440 country is literally dying like most 01:33:05,440 --> 01:33:06,510 country is literally dying like most Western 01:33:06,510 --> 01:33:06,520 Western 01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,830 Western countries 01:33:08,830 --> 01:33:08,840 countries 01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:11,550 countries um I've done episodes on that on the the 01:33:11,550 --> 01:33:11,560 um I've done episodes on that on the the 01:33:11,560 --> 01:33:13,950 um I've done episodes on that on the the birth crisis so interestingly yeah the 01:33:13,950 --> 01:33:13,960 birth crisis so interestingly yeah the 01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:17,590 birth crisis so interestingly yeah the one Western Country Western sty country 01:33:17,590 --> 01:33:17,600 one Western Country Western sty country 01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:19,270 one Western Country Western sty country which is Bucking this trend the only one 01:33:19,270 --> 01:33:19,280 which is Bucking this trend the only one 01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,629 which is Bucking this trend the only one as far as I can see is 01:33:21,629 --> 01:33:21,639 as far as I can see is 01:33:21,639 --> 01:33:25,709 as far as I can see is Israel okay the the entire West is dying 01:33:25,709 --> 01:33:25,719 Israel okay the the entire West is dying 01:33:25,719 --> 01:33:27,790 Israel okay the the entire West is dying indigenously dying it's not replacing 01:33:27,790 --> 01:33:27,800 indigenously dying it's not replacing 01:33:27,800 --> 01:33:29,910 indigenously dying it's not replacing itself it's having to import people to 01:33:29,910 --> 01:33:29,920 itself it's having to import people to 01:33:29,920 --> 01:33:32,709 itself it's having to import people to keep its essential Services 01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:32,719 keep its essential Services 01:33:32,719 --> 01:33:36,149 keep its essential Services running was it 1.6 child children per 01:33:36,149 --> 01:33:36,159 running was it 1.6 child children per 01:33:36,159 --> 01:33:37,950 running was it 1.6 child children per woman is the replacement rate something 01:33:37,950 --> 01:33:37,960 woman is the replacement rate something 01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,590 woman is the replacement rate something like that it's either 1.2 or 1.6 I can't 01:33:40,590 --> 01:33:40,600 like that it's either 1.2 or 1.6 I can't 01:33:40,600 --> 01:33:42,470 like that it's either 1.2 or 1.6 I can't quite remember it's 2.1 it's over two 01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:42,480 quite remember it's 2.1 it's over two 01:33:42,480 --> 01:33:44,750 quite remember it's 2.1 it's over two for to replace okay 2.1 whatever 01:33:44,750 --> 01:33:44,760 for to replace okay 2.1 whatever 01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:47,550 for to replace okay 2.1 whatever whatever it is okay fine Israel is 01:33:47,550 --> 01:33:47,560 whatever it is okay fine Israel is 01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:49,990 whatever it is okay fine Israel is nearly four children per woman so 01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:50,000 nearly four children per woman so 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:52,310 nearly four children per woman so everybody goes oh yeah like the ultra 01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:52,320 everybody goes oh yeah like the ultra 01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:53,870 everybody goes oh yeah like the ultra Orthodox we're all having a million 01:33:53,870 --> 01:33:53,880 Orthodox we're all having a million 01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,550 Orthodox we're all having a million children well yes they are having 01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:56,560 children well yes they are having 01:33:56,560 --> 01:33:58,590 children well yes they are having million children although their birth 01:33:58,590 --> 01:33:58,600 million children although their birth 01:33:58,600 --> 01:34:01,990 million children although their birth rate has come down from 12 per woman to 01:34:01,990 --> 01:34:02,000 rate has come down from 12 per woman to 01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:06,189 rate has come down from 12 per woman to a mere eight okay but the fact 01:34:06,189 --> 01:34:06,199 a mere eight okay but the fact 01:34:06,199 --> 01:34:09,149 a mere eight okay but the fact is that it's not the ultra Orthodox that 01:34:09,149 --> 01:34:09,159 is that it's not the ultra Orthodox that 01:34:09,159 --> 01:34:12,070 is that it's not the ultra Orthodox that are pushing this it's population in 01:34:12,070 --> 01:34:12,080 are pushing this it's population in 01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:13,709 are pushing this it's population in general now why are they pushing it 01:34:13,709 --> 01:34:13,719 general now why are they pushing it 01:34:13,719 --> 01:34:16,950 general now why are they pushing it because all the attributes are in place 01:34:16,950 --> 01:34:16,960 because all the attributes are in place 01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:20,390 because all the attributes are in place for a western style birth rate to 01:34:20,390 --> 01:34:20,400 for a western style birth rate to 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:22,669 for a western style birth rate to collapse because people think well the 01:34:22,669 --> 01:34:22,679 collapse because people think well the 01:34:22,679 --> 01:34:24,030 collapse because people think well the the birth rates collaps in the West 01:34:24,030 --> 01:34:24,040 the birth rates collaps in the West 01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:26,430 the birth rates collaps in the West because of the empowerment of women 01:34:26,430 --> 01:34:26,440 because of the empowerment of women 01:34:26,440 --> 01:34:28,830 because of the empowerment of women women's priorities have changed they're 01:34:28,830 --> 01:34:28,840 women's priorities have changed they're 01:34:28,840 --> 01:34:31,310 women's priorities have changed they're working they're educated they don't want 01:34:31,310 --> 01:34:31,320 working they're educated they don't want 01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:33,790 working they're educated they don't want they want children okay that's why no 01:34:33,790 --> 01:34:33,800 they want children okay that's why no 01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:35,470 they want children okay that's why no that's not the reason that's all the 01:34:35,470 --> 01:34:35,480 that's not the reason that's all the 01:34:35,480 --> 01:34:38,270 that's not the reason that's all the case in Israel too very much so very 01:34:38,270 --> 01:34:38,280 case in Israel too very much so very 01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:40,910 case in Israel too very much so very very much so the women 01:34:40,910 --> 01:34:40,920 very much so the women 01:34:40,920 --> 01:34:44,430 very much so the women work the key in my view is that the 01:34:44,430 --> 01:34:44,440 work the key in my view is that the 01:34:44,440 --> 01:34:47,510 work the key in my view is that the country knows what it is it values what 01:34:47,510 --> 01:34:47,520 country knows what it is it values what 01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:50,950 country knows what it is it values what it is it's attached to its Traditions it 01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:50,960 it is it's attached to its Traditions it 01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:53,910 it is it's attached to its Traditions it wants to perpetuate those traditions it 01:34:53,910 --> 01:34:53,920 wants to perpetuate those traditions it 01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,709 wants to perpetuate those traditions it wants to have children to perpetuate the 01:34:56,709 --> 01:34:56,719 wants to have children to perpetuate the 01:34:56,719 --> 01:35:00,270 wants to have children to perpetuate the culture the nation the Traditions it has 01:35:00,270 --> 01:35:00,280 culture the nation the Traditions it has 01:35:00,280 --> 01:35:03,709 culture the nation the Traditions it has hope in the future it is a country of 01:35:03,709 --> 01:35:03,719 hope in the future it is a country of 01:35:03,719 --> 01:35:07,149 hope in the future it is a country of such immense optimism despite the fact 01:35:07,149 --> 01:35:07,159 such immense optimism despite the fact 01:35:07,159 --> 01:35:09,669 such immense optimism despite the fact it is surrounded by enemies currently 01:35:09,669 --> 01:35:09,679 it is surrounded by enemies currently 01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:13,310 it is surrounded by enemies currently fighting on seven fronts simultaneously 01:35:13,310 --> 01:35:13,320 fighting on seven fronts simultaneously 01:35:13,320 --> 01:35:15,790 fighting on seven fronts simultaneously it is still one of the most happy and 01:35:15,790 --> 01:35:15,800 it is still one of the most happy and 01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,990 it is still one of the most happy and fulfilled countries in the world and all 01:35:18,990 --> 01:35:19,000 fulfilled countries in the world and all 01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:21,390 fulfilled countries in the world and all that gets translated into we want to 01:35:21,390 --> 01:35:21,400 that gets translated into we want to 01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:23,070 that gets translated into we want to continue we want to collectively 01:35:23,070 --> 01:35:23,080 continue we want to collectively 01:35:23,080 --> 01:35:24,910 continue we want to collectively continue understand the collective 01:35:24,910 --> 01:35:24,920 continue understand the collective 01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:27,870 continue understand the collective Endeavor we don't just understand it we 01:35:27,870 --> 01:35:27,880 Endeavor we don't just understand it we 01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:30,669 Endeavor we don't just understand it we don't just know what we are we value it 01:35:30,669 --> 01:35:30,679 don't just know what we are we value it 01:35:30,679 --> 01:35:33,709 don't just know what we are we value it we value it so highly we will die for it 01:35:33,709 --> 01:35:33,719 we value it so highly we will die for it 01:35:33,719 --> 01:35:37,910 we value it so highly we will die for it we are dying for it today now that's 01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:37,920 we are dying for it today now that's 01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:40,109 we are dying for it today now that's what Britain has to become again that's 01:35:40,109 --> 01:35:40,119 what Britain has to become again that's 01:35:40,119 --> 01:35:42,109 what Britain has to become again that's what the West has to become again to 01:35:42,109 --> 01:35:42,119 what the West has to become again to 01:35:42,119 --> 01:35:44,910 what the West has to become again to Value itself to want to perpetuate 01:35:44,910 --> 01:35:44,920 Value itself to want to perpetuate 01:35:44,920 --> 01:35:48,350 Value itself to want to perpetuate itself to want to defend itself sounds a 01:35:48,350 --> 01:35:48,360 itself to want to defend itself sounds a 01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:52,070 itself to want to defend itself sounds a very tall order it can be turned round 01:35:52,070 --> 01:35:52,080 very tall order it can be turned round 01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:55,229 very tall order it can be turned round quite quickly people people want this 01:35:55,229 --> 01:35:55,239 quite quickly people people want this 01:35:55,239 --> 01:35:57,590 quite quickly people people want this they want to be optimistic they don't 01:35:57,590 --> 01:35:57,600 they want to be optimistic they don't 01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,510 they want to be optimistic they don't want to think that everything is 01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:59,520 want to think that everything is 01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:01,830 want to think that everything is terrible they don't want to be depressed 01:36:01,830 --> 01:36:01,840 terrible they don't want to be depressed 01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:03,669 terrible they don't want to be depressed they don't they they they want to have 01:36:03,669 --> 01:36:03,679 they don't they they they want to have 01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:05,629 they don't they they they want to have hope in the future they want someone to 01:36:05,629 --> 01:36:05,639 hope in the future they want someone to 01:36:05,639 --> 01:36:07,550 hope in the future they want someone to give them the Hope in the future they 01:36:07,550 --> 01:36:07,560 give them the Hope in the future they 01:36:07,560 --> 01:36:09,910 give them the Hope in the future they want to be attached they don't like 01:36:09,910 --> 01:36:09,920 want to be attached they don't like 01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:13,390 want to be attached they don't like being randomist atoms in the universe of 01:36:13,390 --> 01:36:13,400 being randomist atoms in the universe of 01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:16,350 being randomist atoms in the universe of Nations where not really Nations at all 01:36:16,350 --> 01:36:16,360 Nations where not really Nations at all 01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:18,390 Nations where not really Nations at all whirling around you know and 01:36:18,390 --> 01:36:18,400 whirling around you know and 01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,229 whirling around you know and genuflecting to the United Nations and 01:36:20,229 --> 01:36:20,239 genuflecting to the United Nations and 01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:21,990 genuflecting to the United Nations and the international criminal court they 01:36:21,990 --> 01:36:22,000 the international criminal court they 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:24,990 the international criminal court they don't want that so give them what they 01:36:24,990 --> 01:36:25,000 don't want that so give them what they 01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:27,750 don't want that so give them what they want because what they want is good 01:36:27,750 --> 01:36:27,760 want because what they want is good 01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,229 want because what they want is good wholesome healthy and will save their 01:36:31,229 --> 01:36:31,239 wholesome healthy and will save their 01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:34,030 wholesome healthy and will save their nation and Western Civilization it's 01:36:34,030 --> 01:36:34,040 nation and Western Civilization it's 01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:37,590 nation and Western Civilization it's quite simple it's not rocket science 01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:37,600 quite simple it's not rocket science 01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:39,510 quite simple it's not rocket science history teaches us 01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:39,520 history teaches us 01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:42,750 history teaches us this tool order 01:36:42,750 --> 01:36:42,760 this tool order 01:36:42,760 --> 01:36:46,350 this tool order absolutely impossible absolutely 01:36:46,350 --> 01:36:46,360 absolutely impossible absolutely 01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:50,510 absolutely impossible absolutely not I love a a moment of Hope to finish 01:36:50,510 --> 01:36:50,520 not I love a a moment of Hope to finish 01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:53,669 not I love a a moment of Hope to finish my episode as I suspected Melanie we did 01:36:53,669 --> 01:36:53,679 my episode as I suspected Melanie we did 01:36:53,679 --> 01:36:55,430 my episode as I suspected Melanie we did even get to a fraction of the questions 01:36:55,430 --> 01:36:55,440 even get to a fraction of the questions 01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:57,950 even get to a fraction of the questions or even topics that I wanted to get to I 01:36:57,950 --> 01:36:57,960 or even topics that I wanted to get to I 01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:00,750 or even topics that I wanted to get to I want to push readers you've got written 01:37:00,750 --> 01:37:00,760 want to push readers you've got written 01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,109 want to push readers you've got written so many great books you are a prophet as 01:37:04,109 --> 01:37:04,119 so many great books you are a prophet as 01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:05,790 so many great books you are a prophet as far as I'm concerned uh 01:37:05,790 --> 01:37:05,800 far as I'm concerned uh 01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,270 far as I'm concerned uh londonistan which is nearly 20 years old 01:37:08,270 --> 01:37:08,280 londonistan which is nearly 20 years old 01:37:08,280 --> 01:37:11,070 londonistan which is nearly 20 years old could have been written yesterday um or 01:37:11,070 --> 01:37:11,080 could have been written yesterday um or 01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:12,390 could have been written yesterday um or post October 01:37:12,390 --> 01:37:12,400 post October 01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:15,590 post October 7th every chapter from the red green 01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:15,600 7th every chapter from the red green 01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:16,870 7th every chapter from the red green Alliance I think you call it red black 01:37:16,870 --> 01:37:16,880 Alliance I think you call it red black 01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,550 Alliance I think you call it red black Alliance to multiculturalism are issues 01:37:19,550 --> 01:37:19,560 Alliance to multiculturalism are issues 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,430 Alliance to multiculturalism are issues today just as important as they were 20 01:37:21,430 --> 01:37:21,440 today just as important as they were 20 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:24,149 today just as important as they were 20 years ago the sex change societ 01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:24,159 years ago the sex change societ 01:37:24,159 --> 01:37:25,790 years ago the sex change societ which you have to 01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:25,800 which you have to 01:37:25,800 --> 01:37:28,950 which you have to republish um because reading it today 01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:28,960 republish um because reading it today 01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:32,030 republish um because reading it today with the eyes of today um 25 years after 01:37:32,030 --> 01:37:32,040 with the eyes of today um 25 years after 01:37:32,040 --> 01:37:33,830 with the eyes of today um 25 years after I could do a whole episode with you just 01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:33,840 I could do a whole episode with you just 01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:35,590 I could do a whole episode with you just on that and hopefully we can do that in 01:37:35,590 --> 01:37:35,600 on that and hopefully we can do that in 01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:39,870 on that and hopefully we can do that in the future it's a date um I uh want to 01:37:39,870 --> 01:37:39,880 the future it's a date um I uh want to 01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:43,910 the future it's a date um I uh want to say thank you so much and um Can is 01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:43,920 say thank you so much and um Can is 01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:46,270 say thank you so much and um Can is there anywhere that you'd like listeners 01:37:46,270 --> 01:37:46,280 there anywhere that you'd like listeners 01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:48,990 there anywhere that you'd like listeners to find you yes what what thank you for 01:37:48,990 --> 01:37:49,000 to find you yes what what thank you for 01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:51,310 to find you yes what what thank you for mentioning this yes um I have a website 01:37:51,310 --> 01:37:51,320 mentioning this yes um I have a website 01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:55,709 mentioning this yes um I have a website where all my work uh is uh showcased is 01:37:55,709 --> 01:37:55,719 where all my work uh is uh showcased is 01:37:55,719 --> 01:37:59,149 where all my work uh is uh showcased is stored it's uh Melanie phillips. 01:37:59,149 --> 01:37:59,159 stored it's uh Melanie phillips. 01:37:59,159 --> 01:38:00,390 stored it's uh Melanie phillips. substack 01:38:00,390 --> 01:38:00,400 substack 01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,750 substack doccom um and uh I have an email list 01:38:04,750 --> 01:38:04,760 doccom um and uh I have an email list 01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:07,189 doccom um and uh I have an email list you can join the email list I will send 01:38:07,189 --> 01:38:07,199 you can join the email list I will send 01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:09,109 you can join the email list I will send you therefore uh you get sent 01:38:09,109 --> 01:38:09,119 you therefore uh you get sent 01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:10,990 you therefore uh you get sent automatically uh my work as it's 01:38:10,990 --> 01:38:11,000 automatically uh my work as it's 01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:12,510 automatically uh my work as it's published on the website or you can just 01:38:12,510 --> 01:38:12,520 published on the website or you can just 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:15,589 published on the website or you can just go to the website and read it all um you 01:38:15,589 --> 01:38:15,599 go to the website and read it all um you 01:38:15,599 --> 01:38:18,950 go to the website and read it all um you can read most of it for free some of it 01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:18,960 can read most of it for free some of it 01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:22,189 can read most of it for free some of it only for if for a small payment but 01:38:22,189 --> 01:38:22,199 only for if for a small payment but 01:38:22,199 --> 01:38:23,510 only for if for a small payment but that's where you can find me melan if 01:38:23,510 --> 01:38:23,520 that's where you can find me melan if 01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:28,109 that's where you can find me melan if philip. sub.com wonderful I also hope as 01:38:28,109 --> 01:38:28,119 philip. sub.com wonderful I also hope as 01:38:28,119 --> 01:38:29,629 philip. sub.com wonderful I also hope as you suggested before we were rolling 01:38:29,629 --> 01:38:29,639 you suggested before we were rolling 01:38:29,639 --> 01:38:32,070 you suggested before we were rolling that you are going to you have finished 01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:32,080 that you are going to you have finished 01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:33,709 that you are going to you have finished a new book I have that's about to be 01:38:33,709 --> 01:38:33,719 a new book I have that's about to be 01:38:33,719 --> 01:38:34,990 a new book I have that's about to be published are we our listeners allowed 01:38:34,990 --> 01:38:35,000 published are we our listeners allowed 01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,350 published are we our listeners allowed to know the title uh the title is the 01:38:37,350 --> 01:38:37,360 to know the title uh the title is the 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,189 to know the title uh the title is the elephant in the room you will have to 01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:39,199 elephant in the room you will have to 01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:42,510 elephant in the room you will have to read it to find out what the elephant is 01:38:42,510 --> 01:38:42,520 read it to find out what the elephant is 01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:45,109 read it to find out what the elephant is um it is I've just finished it last week 01:38:45,109 --> 01:38:45,119 um it is I've just finished it last week 01:38:45,119 --> 01:38:47,870 um it is I've just finished it last week and the manuscript is now with my agent 01:38:47,870 --> 01:38:47,880 and the manuscript is now with my agent 01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,990 and the manuscript is now with my agent uh so watch this space how very excited 01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:50,000 uh so watch this space how very excited 01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:51,870 uh so watch this space how very excited I hope that when you publish we can talk 01:38:51,870 --> 01:38:51,880 I hope that when you publish we can talk 01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,589 I hope that when you publish we can talk again I'd also love to get into your 01:38:54,589 --> 01:38:54,599 again I'd also love to get into your 01:38:54,599 --> 01:38:56,310 again I'd also love to get into your personal story which we talked about a 01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:56,320 personal story which we talked about a 01:38:56,320 --> 01:38:59,189 personal story which we talked about a little bit before recording that I'm 01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:59,199 little bit before recording that I'm 01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:01,750 little bit before recording that I'm always Keen to understand how people 01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:01,760 always Keen to understand how people 01:39:01,760 --> 01:39:04,430 always Keen to understand how people like you are able to so courageously say 01:39:04,430 --> 01:39:04,440 like you are able to so courageously say 01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:06,189 like you are able to so courageously say the difficult thing that no one else has 01:39:06,189 --> 01:39:06,199 the difficult thing that no one else has 01:39:06,199 --> 01:39:09,030 the difficult thing that no one else has the courage to say and and um that to me 01:39:09,030 --> 01:39:09,040 the courage to say and and um that to me 01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:11,270 the courage to say and and um that to me is very interesting but we went so deep 01:39:11,270 --> 01:39:11,280 is very interesting but we went so deep 01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:13,189 is very interesting but we went so deep that I I I think it's it's too big a 01:39:13,189 --> 01:39:13,199 that I I I think it's it's too big a 01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:15,430 that I I I think it's it's too big a topic to start just like that now but 01:39:15,430 --> 01:39:15,440 topic to start just like that now but 01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:17,189 topic to start just like that now but Melanie Phillips thank you so much for 01:39:17,189 --> 01:39:17,199 Melanie Phillips thank you so much for 01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:18,709 Melanie Phillips thank you so much for speaking with me thank you for giving me 01:39:18,709 --> 01:39:18,719 speaking with me thank you for giving me 01:39:18,719 --> 01:39:20,709 speaking with me thank you for giving me the opportunity to speak 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